Thanks Janina, I did contact Bill and he got me started OK. I still don't quite have it installed. *sigh* My CD ROM keeps acting buggy on me and it stopped reading files. I think it is more than just a simple cleaning of the lens, since now the CD tray is stuck in the open position and won't shut. grrr... a bad case of linux interuptus. I gotta get caught up on some other work around here. I have a backup plan, but I'l have to yank my double talk and put it into a different machine. Well, I'll keep you posted if I run into any mind boggling issues. thanks for the help from Keith H. Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.