I for one, have enjoyed reading your rants on the speak up list. I have a couple comments/questions. for one, I figure that I don't dislike you since I read all your message, I was actually more fascinated than angry or annoyed by your words. I tend to agree with you. It happens probably more on the speak up list than some of the other, non-technical, lists that I'm on. People tend to get off the subject, make thread changes and not change the subject lines and so forth. I end up deleting things when the focus is lost. Occasionally I will actually look at a email with a subject that I have been deleting to see how much the topic has changed from it's original. then keep deleting it because it has degraded even more. I don't participate right now because I don't currently run a Linux box. I'm stuck in Windows-land until I can get the updated RedHat 7.2 disks. Someone is supposed to be sending me a copy. I'm sure I'll start up some threads once I get it installed. One final question. You mentioned using Braille and Speak. From your statement it seemed that you imply that you use it on the web. Is that possible? Did you mean the M20 or M40? Maybe you meant that you used the BNS as aexternal synthesizer? I ask all those things because I may be getting one soon. I had a brief class to familiarize myself with its basic operation but I'd like to hear what you can tell me about using one. from Keith H. btbgkh at yahoo.com Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film.