Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for us this morning because a newbie was asking for advice. If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than lilo, might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less accessible option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't it an ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and the existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and experience. -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org