OK, let's see... PINE is not GPL, far as I can see. Basically you get source, but you don't really have the permission to distribute modified versions. Last I saw (as of 2000, last I looked); elm was at version 2.5PL3--it may be further than that. Debian last distributed version 2.4PL25, but I believe Slackware had a version 2.5-something as of 7.1. Oh, check that out. According to freshmeat, the latest version of elm is elm 2.5.6. So I guess it isn't as dead as all that after all. Here's what Freshmeat says about where to get it: Homepage: http://www.instinct.org/elm/ Tar/GZ: ftp://ftp.virginia.edu/pub/elm/elm2.5.6.tar.gz Changelog: http://instinct.org/elm/files/untarred/elm2.5.6/Changes Mailing list archive: http://mailhost.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/warc/elm-users.html Mirror site: http://instinct.org/elm/files/ BTW, I am a happy user of mutt, previously a user of elm, never thought pine was very intuitive and just didn't like it. Could be mostly because I'd been using elm since the beginning of time (or at least, 1992, anyway). I have a spiffy .muttrc (thanks, Raul!) that gets rid of the menu bar, and headers are trimmed to nearly nothing. And with the URLview program as well, it's easy to get most URL's extracted for viewing from inside the mailer (launching lynx or whatever). We like mutt a whole lot...it's supplanted elm as my mailer of choice in a *ix environment. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3 | I choose you to take up all of my time. Email: davros at ycardz.com | I choose you because you're funny and kind | I want easy people from now on. | --the Nields
