I have not used either ELM or MUTT, but I gather that PINE is more a reaction to ELM than a descendant of it: PINE = Pine Is Not Elm according to one thing I read a while ago Chuck On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > Chris: > > Isn't ELM now stagnant? Hasn't the version been the same for years? If my > info is correct, MUTT is a descendant of ELM. Visit me now at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck The Moon is Waning Gibbous (72% of Full)