I guess this has been discussed bofore, but I can't help doing it again. Why do so many people use outlook and other Windows utilities to post to this list? It's understandable if you're a new user, but doing it for a year or two, makes me wonder; if you're a Windows user and never want to use linux to do your stuff; get off the list, and stop polluting it with crap. If you're a windows user, and insist on posting (especially for some of those high-volume posters), then change your settings so that we don't have to se a couple of Kbytes of header, and shut off the damn html repeat of your message that shows up at the end. It may come as a big surprise to some people, but when us people who use pine and other mail readers have to go through hundreds of messages; we don't want to see (hear) all that garbage; it's a nuisance, and it slows us down terribly, just trying to get through the list. Also, I'm in complete agreement with the complaints about including messages including messages, including messages within eachother until things get huge; it's a waste of bandwidth, and time. I also notice, that some users seem to post multiple copies of their messages; please, have pity on us who read our mail? While I'm complaining: Why do people include 50 or 100 lines of others messages, and then put their one line comment about it right at the end of all that stuff? My advice, is that if you're going to include all that stuff, and have five or ten words to say about; why not put your comment at the top, and save us all that reading through stuff we've probably already seen before so many times? Brian Borowski