One more note in how Gnompernicus will work: Most apps in linux are written along standardized lines. Most X apps take full advantage of the widgets provided by the library. Now this is hugely because linux is not for the masses. The programs are written by geeks for geeks. When an app fails to use standardized widgets often times it must be written to fit a particular window manager. But there is also less reason to want to as the widgets are written with much more flexability then macroslop equivilants. Instead of wanting to adorn the program with eye candy from the program the general means is to allow the eye candy to be applied via the shell. Put another way, the general users of linux desire to customize the look of their computer. This extends to all the programs. This is opposed to the macroslop world where most users wouldn't have a clue. In the m$ world, companies go to great lengths to make their program look a certain way. This is at the expense of being able to make the entire system look a certain way. It also happens to be at the expense of the poor screen reader trying to understand what is presented. The best thing here is to understand that x and m$ are fundamentally different just as linux is fundamentally different from dos. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net Nowlan's Theory: He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from the next freeway exit.