Janina and everyone else I am *not* getting paid. I would be interested to know how this little conclusion was reached, and fear that rumours may be spreading across the email list so I'd like to make it clear that I was contacted by Jennifer saying "I'm writing a doc on Speakup, you've done a few docs already, would you like to coauthor this one?". I replied yes. During last term and my Christmas holidays I helped in my free time, between university assignments. So it's nothing glamourous. All the work that I've done be it writing docs programs or helping others is purely because I wish to help. In general I am helping someone with a computer five times a day and installing Linux at least once a week, even if they live in Australia. I'm sure that it was a slip of the fingers, but I would like to clear up the mistake. Before I go, like everyone money is always in high demand and donations to the Saqib Shaikh Piggy Bank fund are always thankfully accepted <grin>. Regards, Saqib ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Re: speakup howto, was: Re: suggestions for Speakup > Saqib: > > I just want to make my position very clear. Nothing I say about this > topic, today, yesterday, or tomorrow, is in any way about you--unless I > first tell you otherwise, I suppose! <grin> I am certainly aware who the > boss is in your relationship with IBM. > > I do want to say, also, that I think they've done the right thing > involving you, and I'm also glad to hear you're getting paid. They've > done a great job, imho, with the emacspeak HOWTO documentation, aand I > expect no less with the speakup documentation you and they will create. > So, don't say anything you're not supposed to. That certainly isn't > necessary here. I expect they'll understand the importance of treating > this list the same way they treated the emacspeak list. That is all of > what I meant about World War III. > > As for me, I've initiated another contact channel with IBM. I do think, > though that it would be very appropriate for you to pass along the > expectations of folks on this list to them. > > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Saqib > Shaikh wrote: > > > I'm not allowed to make everything public but I guess we'll only get a bad > > name if we stay quiet. It is *totally separate* from my previous docs - IBM > > were doing it and why reinvent the heel so they just turned the wheel into a > > motor-driven wheel with a tyre. > > > > Saqib > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:47 PM > > Subject: Re: speakup howto, was: Re: suggestions for Speakup > > > > > > > Gregory: > > > > > > I don't know. Theyh haven't consulted me on their plans. Why don't we just > > > ask them to tell us all here on the list? > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > > > So will this new joint howto be a rewriting and incorperation of Saqib's > > original howto, or a totally new document? > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 01:36:53PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > Excellent questions, Gregory. IBM's Accessibility on Linux page, which > > is > > > > > at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/linux/projects/access/ > > > > > > > > > > says "The IBM Linux Accessibility Team contributes to the open-source > > > > > community's accessibility efforts in order to help > > > > > accelerate Linux." > > > > > > > > > > This is, of course, an incomplete statement which makes no sense on > > its > > > > > own. What do they mean "accelerate linux?" I suspect they don't mean > > "make > > > > > it run faster," for example. I'm sure there's a word missing in that > > > > > sentence, but I diagress ... > > > > > > > > > > This page goes on to say: > > > > > > > > > > "November 15, 2001 > > > > > Saqib Shaikh, author of several Speakup documents, agreed to > > coauthor > > > > > new Speakup HOWTO with Jennifer Jobst." > > > > > > > > > > Since I see no link, I assume they're not offering up any drafts just > > yet, > > > > > but I certainly expect they'll do so before finalizing their document. > > I > > > > > know Jennifer posted a draft of her emacspeak documentation on the > > > > > emacspeak list, so I suspect she's lurking here, and will do the same > > for > > > > > us. And, of course, Saqib is active on this list, so perhaps he'd like > > to > > > > > share about this? I do recall he offered us his own, quite excellent > > > > > speakup HOWTO last spring. Are there other speakup docs you've > > written, > > > > > Saqib? That one is the only one I'm aware of to date. > > > > > > > > > > Now, let me speculate on the real reason IBM is up to all those > > wonderful > > > > > efforts they proudly list at the url provided above: > > > > > > > > > > I believe IBM wants to make money selling computers to the U.S. > > > > > Government. I believe they want the option to sell systems without > > > > > Microsoft applications, and Microsoft operating systems. Recent news > > > > > stories have explained about contracts from IBM to Redhat for ports of > > the > > > > > Redhat distribution of open source linux for a range of IBM servers, > > and > > > > > even IBM's S390 mainframe. > > > > > > > > > > To me, these facts point to the intention to be Sec.508 compliant in > > > > > systems proposals for U.S. Federal procurments. And, I say, "Amen, and > > > > > more power to them." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > IBM is authoring a howto about speakup? Where can I find a copy to > > look at? > > > > > > And uhhhm, why are they doing it? > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:28:21AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stick to the straight and > > > > > > > > narrow and make sure each feature under consideration really > > > > > > > > belongs in a screen reader. Examples: the cut and paste feature > > > > > > > > really did belong; the reinitialization feature really does not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strongly agree, but with a suggested twist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reinitialization feature should go into the HOWTO that Saqib > > and IBM > > > > > > > are authoring about speakup. It's a valuable tip that even novice > > users > > > > > > > can set up for themselves, and learn a little linux in the > > process. And, > > > > > > > they'll end up with a feature they are likely to find useful, and > > that > > > > > > > they wouldn't come upon very quickly on their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saqib, Jennifer, are you listening?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup