Yep Kirk Wood you hit it right on the money. Linux is linux regardless of distro. If someone does not learn to use the command line and the text driven configuration files they will never learn Linux regardless of distro used. I agree though that some may be easier for beginners to install than others but once someone learn the ropes it really does not make much difference which distro to used. I have yet to see a graphics program for Linux that allows me complete control of the configuration files. More often than not the direct approach is the simplest and the easiest method to fix a problem or to configure a device. I have used Suse, Redhat, Caldera, Slackware, and Debian. Linux is linux is linux is linux. It's dirty work learning how to configure Linux but it's the only way to go if you want your computer to run like you think it's suppose to instead of being locked into someone elses fancy electronic cookbook mentality proprietor. Long as I can open the hood, grab a wrench and work on the engine I could care less about the label on the body. Rodney The Weaving Beaver rclowdus at kcnet.com "Chop your own firewood and it will warm you twice." "Weave your own cloth and it will reward you twice."