It will be some time before serial ports are unavailable. It could be a very long time given the amount of installed hardware. Periferals ahve a way of hanging on long after the main unit gets replaced. The difference with ISA is that about the only thing not so ancient most people would have for the ISA slot is a modem. Right now it is mostly machines designed for the corperate world that are dumping the serial port. And for the situation, it is perhaps a good idea. If a person doesn't have a use for the serial port, then there is just no good business reason to buy it. Just this week I recomended we stop buying machines with serial for some places. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.