Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed to work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to my ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway. When I forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail thing with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards. Chuck My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)