Cheryl! Oh boy! Now you've really got me stumped. I thought we were talking about the same tree. OK! I am completely unsure of what the console-tools packages is trying to do or is doing. You may have a speakupmap loading which could cause this behavior with the alt key. To be honest I don't think your going to figure this out with out a little trial and error. What you need to do is find a regular usmap and invoke it with loadkeys. Finding a regular usmap may prove to be an interesting task on your system. Tommy currently has the standard usmap being the speakupmap. I hope that in future releases we can have a separate speakupmap. That would make this a bunch less confusing. You need to be really careful with this keymap stuff or you could really hose your machine pretty good. So I say start by backing up the keymap that's being loaded. Unfortunately this isn't the easiest thing in the world to figure out. If you have a look at /etc/init.d/keymap.sh you may be able to get an idea for what is happening. Unfortunately I don't have a system here that is loading a keymap. /etc/init.d/keymap.sh in my case actually does a dumpkeys from the kernel for some odd reason. Oh but yes this might actually be a good thing to try! When you have the nonspeakup kernel running do a 'dumpkeys >nonspeakupmap.map'. Probably just keeping this file in roots homedir /root isn't a bad place for it. Then do a 'loadkeys <nonspeakupmap.map'. If you don't get a working alt key at that point then I would be extremely surprised! Now how to fix this long term I am unsure at this point. Let's just see if this works to start with. HTH -- Frank Carmickle phone: 412 761-9568 email: frankiec at dryrose.com