Ok, I'm a bit confused, and I appologize for not having followed this thread better but I thought I knew what to do. I downloaded the 2.4.5 kernel and started working on it. I tried to use my .checkout file to patch from the speakup cvs but was told there was no speakup module--I thought this was still available so hadn't really worried about this discussion. Is speakup already built into the kernels or do I have to have a specially-enabled kernel? If this is in the kernel, with which version did this start? Is there a list somewhere of the synth commands to use with the append statement in lilo--I do remember that part of the discussion? I'm just upgrading my kernel from 2.2.19, not trying to install a new distribution. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I don't see anything about this on the speakup site. I'm using debian and have just upgraded from potato to woody. Cheryl