I'd like to thank everyone for their suggestions. It turns out that my dsl isp does not allow any port 25 connections unless they are passing through their own mail servers. After playing around with things and being able to connect to smtp on multiple sites when on any connection except my dsl one I called tech support and that is what they told me. Raul A. Gallegos -- raul at asmodean.net msn id: ragallegos at hotmail.com -- icq: 5283055 http://www.asmodean.net