True. Greg On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:15:42AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > This is how the world should be. > > But, until such inclusion becomes the well-known norm, shouldn't we have a > simple Slack page on the speakup site that says this and includes a > hyperlink to a reliable site (with a fast pipe to the net) for downloading > Slack 8? Seems to me this would constitute a valuable service to our > community and avoid much unneeded tossing about. > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, > Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > No, only slackware 8.0 has speakup in it by default from the slackware team. Previous versions were modified, and the floppies were on the speakup sight. > > Greg > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 01:04:07AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: > > > Yes, all versions of Slackware 8.0 that I know of have Speakup in them. I > > > think that is a part of the Slackware distribution now days. Which is really > > > handy. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar at tamu.edu> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0 > > > > > > > > > > but will the iso have speackup in it? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward at bright.net> > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM > > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar at tamu.edu> > > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with > > > > > > speaking boot disks. Am I missing something? > > > > > > > > > > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try: > > > > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me. Here are some > > > > more > > > > > > newbee questions. Could someone please explain how the man page > > > works? > > > > > (by > > > > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the [] {} and <> mean in > > > > > context? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site > > > better > > > > > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic. > > > > > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at > > > > > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man > > > > > > > > > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time? > > > > > > > > > > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this > > > > using > > > > > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace > > > > key. > > > > > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page > > > > > press the plus key on the numpad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out > > > than > > > > > man > > > > > > page? > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save > > > > it, > > > > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille > > > > > printer under Linux. > > > > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like > > > > megadots > > > > > for dos using the dosemu program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup? > > > > > > > > > > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called > > > Brailletty > > > > > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and > > > > see > > > > > how it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new > > > os? > > > > > > > > > > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the > > > > documentation > > > > > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site. > > > > > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still > > > is > > > > a > > > > > great book for beginners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about speakup (see last quesion). > > > > > > > > > > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux? > > > > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos? > > > > > > > > > > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming. > > > > They > > > > > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming > > > in > > > > 21 > > > > > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself > > > > > gtk+ programming in 21 days. > > > > > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind, > > > but > > > > > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to > > > > clean > > > > > scanned. > > > > > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not > > > that > > > > > much different than in dos. > > > > > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms, > > > > and > > > > > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears > > > > completion. > > > > > > > > > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) installing and setting up the os > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just > > > > easier > > > > > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer > > > > > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive, > > > > and > > > > > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot. > > > > > > > > > > > 2) running the os > > > > > > > > > > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user, > > > > and > > > > > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time > > > leads > > > > > to problems if you are not careful. > > > > > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc > > > > folder > > > > > and typed something like: > > > > > rm -rf * > > > > > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he > > > smoked > > > > > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) upgrading > > > > > > > > > > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not > > > > > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want, > > > but > > > > I > > > > > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out. > > > > > > > > > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os? > > > > > > > > > > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not > > > > give > > > > > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or > > > anything > > > > > with alot of graphical widgits. > > > > > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and > > > > > released with Gnome 2.0. > > > > > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In > > > > > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one > > > you > > > > > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will > > > > say > > > > > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
