I still get those whenever I log on to the shell or upon exiting of a long running program during which new mail has come in. The default for my "unfiltered inbox mail" is to go right back into /var/spool/mail/steve (in my case) so the shell detects its presence. I do remember from past filtering experiences if I have all mail filtered into other local mail folders, the shell will know nothing about it thus no new mail notification. I do recall an option that can be used to tell the shell where to look for new mail; I think it is an environment variable. On the other side, my shell tells me I have mail (not new mail) whenever there is any old mail in my inbox. Unfortunately, Pine likes to keep a "dummy" message in there so the shell will tell me that I still have mail even though a normal pine user will see that there is no mail (empty) inbox. I wish Pine didn't need that dummy message to do its thing. Small nuisence - certainly not a show-stopper nor something to get me to quit using Pine. On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Deedra Waters wrote: DW> I'm curious about something.... Ever sense I've been using procmail I've DW> stopped seeing the you have new mail messages..... DW> is there a way I can get my computer to show me that again? DW> DW> DW> _______________________________________________ DW> Speakup mailing list DW> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca DW> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup DW>