Hi Thanks for your comments, perhaps it might have been appropriate to discuss some of these matters off the list. Regarding the school college university question. Here in the UK, school means under 16 years old. Thus it is a very crude tool about the age of the user. Plus here in the UK, Redhat are attempting to encourage schools to use Linux, thus if any of this activity had been filtered to a visually impaired person, it would show in the survey. I just didn't want to discriminate according to age. I thought that we had a regular 13 year old user? This obviously raises the question that a glossary of terms should have been provided. I'll do it next time. On future development. It certainly doesn't suggest that there's any intention to restrict support in the future, its a "snapshot" of the current position, nothing more or nothing less. Say, for example, 5 users used Redhat, 30 users Debian and 100 Slackware and new installation disks needed to be produced for 2 or all 3 of them, at the same time you have a developer asking which job needs doing? Thus this is a tool to help in the prioritising process. Such tools are vital to the efficient progress of all projects. If we know what the starting line looks like then we can run the race but if we don't know where it is we've got no chance. I hope that the above answers some of your questions. Gena -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:speakup-admin at braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: 03 December 2001 19:44 To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: snapshot speakup survey No problems executing the survey here with lynx 2.8.4rel.1 (17 Jul 2001) I don't see much in the way of accessibility issues with this form. I do have a couple of points, however: Link elements should be clearly intelligible on their own--without any need to access surrounding text. UTRLs labeled "link," for example, are not good practice. The applicable WAI guideline is intended to support users who navigate through urls via various browser access technologies and may not have direct access to the surrounding text in the process; The form itself does not validate with HTML Tidy. I did not try http://validator.w3.org, but would not expect a different result there. Valid html is, of course, the foundation of good accessibility practices on web pages, and I believe we should model what we preach as much as practical; In the first question, "Where do you use speakup?," what is meant by "school" as opposed to "college or university?" In other words, wouldn't everyone checking off "college or university" also check off "school," inasmuch as a college or a university is certainly a school by all accepted usages of English?; What, exactly, is this survey supposed to discover? It perports to be about future developments, but only questions regarding curent use are asked. Are we to surmise that some users will receive support in the future, while others will not? Certainly this can't be the case. So, what, exactly, is this survey supposed to show? -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
