Yes, very sorry about that. The correct uri for the GNOME Accessibility Project is: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/ On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Darragh wrote: > I was very interested in visiting that page, but unfortunately, its a broken > link. > > Darragh > PS. Thanks for the reply about the links, I got the files that I was looking > for. > This e-mail, and any files transmitted with it, including replies and > forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted > are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you > have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or > disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux > > > > On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > I don't think we'll see what > > > you describe until there is an > > > x speech server. > > > > Well, if you're in San Francisco over the next few days, stop by the Sun > > Booth at LinuxWorld and see a prototype for GNOME. And/Or, join the > > Tuesday evening BOFA session at the downtown SF Marriott. Or just take a > > look at what's up at: > > > > http://www.gnome.org/projects/gap/ > > > > My expectation is that the GNOME access elements will be the first out of > > the gate for actual users next year. But, it's increasingly looking like > > GNOME will not be the only choice. > > > > That's good of course. Choice is good. > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > > This would of course give us the ease of use of windows > > > (no more commands, just menus), and it would give us > > > access to staroffice and other things. > > > When that happens, Linux will be on an equal footing with windows > > > (if not farther) in terms of speech access. > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 11:28:36PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > > > > I've been following this thread for a while. and haven't decided to > say > > > > something until now. > > > > I'm of the oppinion that linux as an operating system accessable to > the > > > > blind, is streets ahead of it's comercial counterparts. > > > > I say this because as a user of both operating systems, I can see the > place > > > > for both of them. I find that windows in a normal office environment > is a > > > > very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have the power of linux > and > > > > the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be a very happy > camper. > > > > I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of microsoft word and excell and > all > > > > that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl console versions of > either. > > > > Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to run it as a > server box > > > > or as a firewall, but I want the durrability of linux with the ease of > use > > > > of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn how to use > linux to > > > > it's full potential. > > > > Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just stating how I feel > on the > > > > whole issue. > > > > Shaun.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > > > > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net> > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charlie and all - > > > > > > > > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a DOS fan too and > actually > > > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my Arkenstone Open Book > Unbound > > > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot machine so I can se > Linux to > > > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I use the Caldera > > > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two other legacy > apps. > > > > > > > > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the early 80s, version > 1.X was > > > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then 3.X, it gradually > > > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a hierarchical file > system, > > > > > batch files, and then later versions even had online help. > > > > > > > > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that Unix was a mature > > > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s when DOS was being > forged > > > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and contemporary > > > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade ahead of the game > > > > > compared to DOS. > > > > > > > > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality system, with its GUI > being > > > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based console system. > > > > > > > > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet and is maintained > and > > > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to think of it in the > same > > > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there is no market for > Linux > > > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and there is need, and > that > > > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of market concepts. > > > > > > > > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source world? By selling > services, > > > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are organic things. > They > > > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their merits, and they > both give > > > > > to and take from their users. There would be no Speakup if it were > > > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility solutions, trust me > on > > > > > that one. > > > > > > > > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for the long haul. > > > > > > > > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled Linux system > when I > > > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own" solution. I am > convinced > > > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I would have ended up > > > > > overhauling it anyway. > > > > > > > > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable for the people who > check > > > > > their email once a week and want their machine to do what they want, > and > > > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always be a niche for a > > > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets and predatory > practices, > > > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users and all the > decision > > > > > details already made for them. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list! > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
