Let me give a tad of clarification for the new and prospective speakup users. Speakup allows you to have full editing capabilities, at least as full as any text based application under gnu/Linux. I use emacs with speakup with absolutely no difficulty and am using it currently to write this note. I do not use emacspeak although I under stand it is a fine product. Now where some folks are complaining about speakups lack is in automatic cursor speaking. Speakup tracks the cursor perfectly and is pretty well always where your cursor is. What speakup does not do is automatically speak the line you are moving to. It does not automatically say the characters you are moving onto. It does track the cursor though. There is an experimental mode of cursor speaking in the cvs version of speakup which in some applications works as well as any screen review package. In other applications it doesn't work so well. I am only saying these things because it creates a false impression that somehow speakup is inferior and it just plain isn't. I would be very happy to have folks help with fixing this situation of automatic speaking. It is not a trivial problem to do correctly. It is also not that high on my priority list because I have no problem writing, coding, reading and editing with it the way it currently works. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061