KVM switches are not really needed. Many places don't use them. Also, some people are incompetent. There it is out. Some network admins don't know their stuff. They think you have to be on the console. (Actually there are some functions on certain crappy OSes that you must visit the console.) If you figure out why some feel a KVM is a needed item then you will also understand why X is a dependancy for so many packages that have an ***optional*** X interface. Soem dip weeds think just because it can be done it should *or even has* to be don. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net