Hi Josh: I've discovered the problem and the fix for the DoubleTalk card. I haven't checked the fix in as of yet. On the LiteTalk front, I haven't figured out what's causing that condition. I'd still like to know why they work for me but others are having problems. I also heard from Bart this morning that the cvs and 2.4.0-test8 with the Dectalk express is working fine. Little by little we'll get these straightened out. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061