One thing that strikes me about this mode of input. It seems like it would be a compact method of inputing items and should have a much higher input rate then the scribbles that many PDAs use. I am inclined to think that the user should have a choice as to inputing either reverse like a typical slate and stylus or forward like it is read. I would hate to force something on someone that is used to reversing their braille writting. But hey, I am somewhat ignorant. I can read and write about grade 1.3 braille. I know some of the grade 2 stuff, but not all of it. And it has been awhile. The other Kirk had brought up using a template with translation software to make use of the touch screen that is already on any PDa arround. While the idea is certainly sound and workable, I don't have a PDA. In fact all my blind friends are incapable of using any PDA today because they are all totals. If there is interest here, I will start working on a braille input method. In fact, I probably will anyway because Buddy and I had decided that we wanted to see a PDA like device for cheper the a Braille and Speak. We had been looking for some sort of keyboard, but this seems like a way to keep the size small, but stay usable. Any feedback is welcome. Also, please let me know if your interested in playing with such a device in intrest of advancing an idea. Formulating in my head, I think it reasonable to have some prototyping done within a month. But this would be a rough device to explore the method of input more then anything. Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net ------------------ Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now).