I have a habit of hollering for help first and then doing my problem-solving, reading, and testing. A week ago I tried my damnedest to move on up to 2.2.18 with the cvs version of speakup, but failed to make my alsa drivers work with my sblive card no matter what I tried. Frankie and others said to just erase my source trees and begin again from scratch, which seemed to me (being sophisticated and all that) to be nothing but superstitious magical thinking. But you know what? I did it, and it worked. No tweaking necessary. Configure and compile and install the kernel, reboot into 2.2.18 with speech but without sound, then configure, compile and install the alsa package, reboot again and up came 2.2.18 with speech and with sound working. My apoligies, Frankie and all! Why couldn't it do that the first time? Chuck My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk Bone underwear."