Hi Steve and all: I already have the extended set which looks like it might have been vocal-eyes. A long time ago Michael Gorse and Geoff Shang each sent me a list of extended ascii descriptions. I've just now managed to get around to looking through them with the help of Jim Danley. I have mixed the two lists together and hack the shit out of them to attempt to get relatively short descriptions. I will include the list so far for peoples input. The list starts at tilde. Kirk tihlduh cap delta cap see cedilla u oomlout e acute eigh circumflex eigh oomlout eigh grave eigh ring see cedilla e circumflex e oomlout e grave i oomlout i circumflex i grave cap eigh oomlout cap eigh ring cap e acute eigh e dipthong cap eigh cap e dipthong o circumflex o oomlout o grave u circumflex u grave i jay dipthong cap o oomlout cap u oomlout cents pounds yen peseta florin eigh acute i acute o acute u acute n tilde cap n tilde feminine spanish ordinal masculin spanish ordinal inverted question beginning of line short horizontal with short left down not half quarter inverted bang much less than much greater than dark shading medium shading light shading verticle line left tee double left tee left double tee double top right top double right double left double tee double vertical line double top double right double bottom double right double bottom right bottom double right top right left bottom up tee tee down tee right horizontal line cross bars tee double right double tee right double left double bottom double left double top double up double tee double tee double down double tee double right double horizontal line double cross bars up double tee double up tee double tee down tee double down double left bottom double left bottom double left top left double top double vertical cross double horizontal cross bottom right left top solid square solid lower half solid left half solid right half solid upper half alpha beta cap gamma pie cap sigma sigma mu tou cap phigh cap thayta cap ohmega delta infinity phigh epsilaun intersection is identical to plus or minus equal grater than less than equal upper integral lower integral divided by approximately equal degrees centre dot small centre dot root power squared solid square white space -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061