A change was made in 2.4.0-test4 which affects the Makefile for including defined symbols. I will look into fixing this in the next few weeks. Some of the speakup folks have figured out a short term work around for this problem which I don't remember off hand. Maybe someone will pipe up with the solution for you. We will most certainly fix it before 2.4.0 is actually released, well, providing they don't release it while I am on holidays. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061