On Mon, 2015-07-20 at 20:07 +0200, Sven Brauch wrote: > On 20/07/15 19:25, Johan Hovold wrote: > > What kernel version are you using? > I'm using linux 4.1.2. > > > The idea of adding another layer of buffering in the cdc-acm driver has > > been suggested in the past but was rejected (or at least questioned). > > See for example this thread: > > > > https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20110608164626.22bc893c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Yes, that is indeed pretty much the same problem and the same solution. > Answering to the questions brought up in that thread: Yes, but that was not really a modem. The stuff on the other end doesn't come over an external conection. > > a) Why is your setup filling 64K in the time it takes the throttle > > response to occur > As far as I understand, the throttle happens only when there's less than > 128 bytes of free space in the tty buffer. Data can already be lost > before the tty even decides it should start throttling, simply because > the throttle threshold is smaller than the amount of data potentially in > each urb. Also (excuse my cluelessness) it seems that when exactly the Then there is a problem in the tty code. Now it may not have enough information, but there is no point of turning the buffers of cdc-acm into an inofficial buffer. > throttling happens depends on some scheduling "jitter" as well. > Additionally, the response of the cdc_acm driver to a throttle request > is not very prompt; it might have a queue of up to 16kB (16 urbs) pending. > > > b) Do we care (is the right thing to do to lose bits anyway at > > that point) > This I cannot answer, I don't know enough about the architecture or > standards. I can just say that for my case, there's a lot of losses; > this it not an issue which happens after hours when the system is under > heavy load, it happens after just a few seconds reproducably. Then the tty layer needs to throttle earlier. In the general case we must be ready to throw away data. > > The tty buffers are quite large these days, but could possibly be bumped > > further if needed to give the ldisc some more time to throttle the > > device at very high speeds. > I do not like this solution. It will again be based on luck, and you > will still be unable to rely on the delivery guarantee made by the USB > stack (at least when using bulk). > My suggestion instead stops the host system from accepting any more data > from the device when its buffers are full, forcing the device to wait > before sending out more data (which many kinds of devices might very > well be able to do). But others won't and we'd preserve stale data in preference over fresh data. > Also note that this patch does not introduce an extra layer of > buffering. The buffers are already there; this change just alters the > process which decides when to submit the buffers to the tty, and when to > free them for more input data from the device. It does. It turns those buffers from temporary scratch buffers into a queue. Regards Oliver -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-serial" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
