Hi I am currently working on replacing the VT layer with a user-space implementation called "kmscon". It is based on KMS/DRM to control the video display. I can now successfully run it with CONFIG_VT disabled and a few hacks to avoid using /dev/ttyX in kmscon. The idea is to move UI code out of the kernel and getting a full VT520 terminal (full Unicode/font support) implemented in user-space. There are some other advantages that I will skip here. I am now working on replacing missing features of the kernel VT. I've had some deeper look into drivers/tty/vt/ and drivers/video/console/. The main feature that is missing with CONFIG_VT=n is definitely an (early-)boot console driver. fbcon and vgacon both provide the consw driver which then provides the console driver. However, without consw (tied to VTs) there will also be no console driver. I was wondering what the best way to replace them is. I could rewrite fbcon.c to provide a "struct console" driver instead of a whole consw driver. Or I could write a drmcon driver that uses the drm api to provide a console driver. As KMSCON currently runs with DRM only, it wouldn't matter that drmcon would depend on DRM, too. In short: I need some shortcut from vgacon/fbcon directly to "struct console" and dropping the VT-layer in between. The driver itself would be pretty simply. It would have a ring-buffer for the messages that are currently printed to the screen and rotate it as new messages come in. It could then print it via drm mode-setting if there is currently no other drm application running. That is, if X/wayland/kmscon shows up, the drmcon driver will go to sleep and do nothing. kmscon can then read /dev/kmsg and print the messages if it wants to. If kmscon exits, drmcon will take over and print the messages again. Other parts missing with CONFIG_VT=n are probably some ioctls which won't work with pty. However, all applications that run in xterm will also run in kmscon. Only applications that use linux ioctl's will not. However, I don't think that these are needed, but I will watch carefully while testing it. That's just some of my ideas on this topic. Maybe you can give me some hints whether it actually makes sense ;) Regards David -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-serial" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html