Re: System hangs when using USB 3.0 HD with on Ubuntu

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On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 10:12 -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Jonas Schwertfeger wrote:
> 
> > Actually, you hit the nail on the head Kay. I moved the hdparm rule
> > out of the way and voilà, the drive mounts. I then manually ran hdparm
> > on the device:
> > 
> > sudo hdparm --verbose /dev/sdb
> > 
> > /dev/sdb:
> > outgoing cdb:  85 08 2e 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 ec 00
> > SG_IO: ATA_16 status=0x0, host_status=0x7, driver_status=0x0
> > SG_IO: bad response (not CHECK_CONDITION)
> > outgoing cdb:  85 08 2e 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 a1 00
> > SG_IO: ATA_16 status=0x0, host_status=0x7, driver_status=0x0
> > SG_IO: bad response (not CHECK_CONDITION)
> >  HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid exchange
> >  readonly      =  0 (off)
> >  readahead     = 256 (on)
> >  geometry      = 36365/64/32, sectors = 0, start = 0
> > 
> > Does the command sent by hdparm look familiar? Exactly, it is the
> > third ATA command (IDENTIFY DEVICE) we discovered earlier and caused
> > the drive to stall.
> 
> That's nice to know.  Other people have been reporting similar 
> problems.  Now we can tell where they come from.

Yes ... I think we're starting to need to get a handle on all these
userspace random pokes which can disrupt (the admittedly badly written
and badly tested) devices which the kernel tries so hard not to upset.

> > Does anyone know why the drive would not be able to cope with this
> > command?
> 
> No idea.  Except that it's probably not the drive's fault, but rather 
> the fault of the USB-(S)ATA chip that controls the drive.

Best guess (and it's a guess only) would be that the USB bridge SAT
layer doesn't implement ATA_16 and so fails in interesting ways when it
comes in.  Does the ATA_12 version of IDENTIFY DEVICE succeed?

James

> > And also, why does it not choke on it in USB 2.0 mode but
> > only in USB 3.0?
> 
> That's easy: It chokes in USB-2.0 mode also.  But the ehci-hcd
> driver is able to reset the drive and recover, whereas xhci-hcd has not 
> yet implemented reset.  Hence no recovery is possible.
> 
> Alan Stern
> 
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