Re: [PATCH 02/11] PM: extend PM QoS with per-device wake-up constraints

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Mark Brown wrote:

> The original issue that Kevin raised and CCed me in on was the idea of
> exposing raw per-device wakeup latency constraints to userspace; it
> seems much better to expose user level requirements via subsystem
> interfaces and let the subsystem and driver translate these into actual
> wakeup latency constraints:
> 
>   https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/linux-pm/2011-August/032422.html
>   https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/linux-pm/2011-August/032428.html
> 
> This is much easier for users as it translates into something they're
> actually doing (and in most cases the driver can make it Just Work) and
> it means that off the shelf applications will end up tuning the system
> appropriately by themselves.  I'm additionally concerned that if we
> expose this stuff directly to userspace that's an open invitation to
> driver authors to not even bother trying to make the kernel figure this
> stuff out by itself and to instead tie the system together with magic
> userspace.

Can you give a couple of examples to illustrate these points?  I think
it would help a lot to make the conversation more concrete.

Alan Stern

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