On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:42:20PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > I really wouldn't like the discussion to go in circles. > First, please tell me what in particular you are objecting to, > because I don't think that's any of the patches that have been > sent to the linux-pm list to date. The original issue that Kevin raised and CCed me in on was the idea of exposing raw per-device wakeup latency constraints to userspace; it seems much better to expose user level requirements via subsystem interfaces and let the subsystem and driver translate these into actual wakeup latency constraints: https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/linux-pm/2011-August/032422.html https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/linux-pm/2011-August/032428.html This is much easier for users as it translates into something they're actually doing (and in most cases the driver can make it Just Work) and it means that off the shelf applications will end up tuning the system appropriately by themselves. I'm additionally concerned that if we expose this stuff directly to userspace that's an open invitation to driver authors to not even bother trying to make the kernel figure this stuff out by itself and to instead tie the system together with magic userspace. In embedded systems this approach seems tractable and reasonable. Your concern seems to be that for PC class systems it's not going to be possible to figure out the required latencies in the drivers reliably enough to be useful so we'll need to punt to userspace and let users tune their systems that way. I can't speak for Kevin but I think my preferred solution there would be to make this a feature of the relevant systems rather than a standard feature that users can expect in the Linux power management framework. I think at some point in the discussion (you've not quoted any of the text of the discussion for context...) you started thinking about other constraints, different considerations may apply to those, I don't know what other constraints we have. _______________________________________________ linux-pm mailing list linux-pm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-pm
