Quoting Tony Lindgren (2016-12-05 07:25:34)
> * Tero Kristo <t-kristo@xxxxxx> [161205 02:09]:
> > On 03/12/16 02:18, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > > * Michael Turquette <mturquette@xxxxxxxxxxxx> [161202 15:52]:
> > > > Quoting Tony Lindgren (2016-12-02 15:12:40)
> > > > > * Michael Turquette <mturquette@xxxxxxxxxxxx> [161202 14:34]:
> > > > > > Quoting Tony Lindgren (2016-10-28 16:54:48)
> > > > > > > * Stephen Boyd <sboyd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [161028 16:37]:
> > > > > > > > On 10/28, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > > > > > > > > * Tero Kristo <t-kristo@xxxxxx> [161028 00:43]:
> > > > > > > > > > On 28/10/16 03:50, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I suppose a PRCM is
> > > > > > > > > > > like an MFD that has clocks and resets under it? On other
> > > > > > > > > > > platforms we've combined that all into one node and just had
> > > > > > > > > > > #clock-cells and #reset-cells in that node. Is there any reason
> > > > > > > > > > > we can't do that here?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For OMAPs, there are typically multiple instances of the PRCM around; OMAP4
> > > > > > > > > > for example has:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cm1 @ 0x4a004000 (clocks + clockdomains)
> > > > > > > > > > cm2 @ 0x4a008000 (clocks + clockdomains)
> > > > > > > > > > prm @ 0x4a306000 (few clocks + resets + power state handling)
> > > > > > > > > > scrm @ 0x4a30a000 (few external clocks + plenty of misc stuff)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > These instances are also under different power/voltage domains which means
> > > > > > > > > > their PM behavior is different.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The idea behind having a clockdomain as a provider was mostly to have the
> > > > > > > > > > topology visible : prcm-instance -> clockdomain -> clocks
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yeah that's needed to get the interconnect hierarchy right for
> > > > > > > > > genpd :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ... but basically I think it would be possible to drop the clockdomain
> > > > > > > > > > representation and just mark the prcm-instance as a clock provider. Tony,
> > > > > > > > > > any thoughts on that?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No let's not drop the clockdomains as those will be needed when we
> > > > > > > > > move things into proper hierarchy within the interconnect instances.
> > > > > > > > > This will then help with getting things right with genpd.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In the long run we just want to specify clockdomain and the offset of
> > > > > > > > > the clock instance within the clockdomain in the dts files.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sorry, I have very little idea how OMAP hardware works. Do you
> > > > > > > > mean that you will have different nodes for each clockdomain so
> > > > > > > > that genpd can map 1:1 to the node in dts? But in hardware
> > > > > > > > there's a prcm that allows us to control many clock domains
> > > > > > > > through register read/writes? How is the interconnect involved?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are multiple clockdomains, at least one for each interconnect
> > > > > > > instance. Once a clockdomain is idle, the related interconnect can
> > > > > > > idle too. So yeah genpd pretty much maps 1:1 with the clockdomains.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There's more info in for example omap4 TRM section "3.4.1 Device
> > > > > > > Power-Management Layout" that shows the voltage/power/clock domains.
> > > > > > > The interconnect instances are mostly named there too looking at
> > > > > > > the L4/L3 naming.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm confused on two points:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) why are the clkdm's acting as clock providers? I've always hated the
> > > > > > name "clock domain" since those bits are for managing module state, not
> > > > > > clock state. The PRM, CM1 and CM2 provide the clocks, not the
> > > > > > clockdomains.
> > > > >
> > > > > The clock domains have multiple clock inputs that are routed to multiple
> > > > > child clocks. So it is a clock :)
> > > > >
> > > > > See for example omap4430 TRM "3.6.4 CD_WKUP Clock Domain" on page
> > > > > 393 in my revision here.
> > > > >
> > > > > On that page "Figure 3-48" shows CD_WKUP with the four input clocks.
> > > > > And then "Table 3-84. CD_WKUP Control and Status Parameters" shows
> > > > > the CD_WKUP clock domain specific registers. These registers show
> > > > > the status, I think they are all read-only registers. Then CD_WKUP
> > > > > has multiple child clocks with configurable registers.
> > > > >
> > > > > From hardware register point of view, each clock domain has:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Read-only clockdomain status registers in the beginning of
> > > > > the address space
> > > > >
> > > > > - Multiple similar clock instances register instances each
> > > > > mapping to a specific interconnect target module
> > > > >
> > > > > These are documented in "3.11.16.1 WKUP_CM Register Summary".
> > > >
> > > > Oh, this is because you are treating the MODULEMODE bits like gate
> > > > clocks. I never really figured out if this was the best way to model
> > > > those bits since they do more than control a line toggling at a rate.
> > > > For instance this bit will affect the master/slave IDLE protocol between
> > > > the module and the PRCM.
> > >
> > > Yes seems like there is some negotiation going on there with the
> > > target module. But from practical point of view the CLKCTRL
> > > register is the gate for a module functional clock.
> >
> > There's some confusion on this, clockdomain is effectively a collection of
> > clocks, and can be used to force control that collection if needed. Chapter
> > "3.1.1.1.3 Clock Domain" in some OMAP4 TRM shows the relationship neatly.
>
> Yeah that's my understanding too.
There is no clk api for this type of behavior. We keep clocks enabled so
long as consumers have a positive prepare_count or enable_count. The
concept of force-idle doesn't work very well here, unless any calls to
force the clkdm to idle also use a usecount.
>
> > > > > From hardware point of view, we ideally want to map interconnect
> > > > > target modules to the clock instance offset from the clock domain
> > > > > for that interconnect segment. For example gptimer1 clocks would
> > > > > be just:
> > > > >
> > > > > clocks = <&cd_wkup 0x40>;
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2) why aren't the clock domains modeled as genpds with their associated
> > > > > > devices attached to them? Note that it is possible to "nest" genpd
> > > > > > objects. This would also allow for the "Clockdomain Dependency"
> > > > > > relationships to be properly modeled (see section 3.1.1.1.7 Clock Domain
> > > > > > Dependency in the OMAP4 TRM).
> > > > >
> > > > > Clock domains only route clocks to child clocks. Power domains
> > > > > are different registers. The power domains map roughly to
> > > > > interconnect instances, there we have registers to disable the
> > > > > whole interconnect when idle.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not talking about power islands at all, but the genpd object in
> > > > Linux. For instance, if we treat each clock domain like a clock
> > > > provider, how could the functional dependency between clkdm_A and
> > > > clkdm_B be asserted?
> > >
> > > To me it seems that some output of a clockdomain is just a input
> > > of another clockdomain? So it's just the usual parent child
> > > relationship once we treat a clockdomain just as a clock. Tero
> > > probably has some input here.
> >
> > A clockdomain should be modelled as a genpd, that I agree. However, it
> > doesn't prevent it from being a clock provider also, or does it?
It does not prevent it, but I don't understand why you would want both.
I had a recent conversation with Kevin Hilman about a related issue
(we were not discussing this thread or this series) and we both agreed
that most drivers don't even need to managed their clocks directly, so
much as they need to manage their on/off resources. Clocks are just one
part of that, and if we can hide that stuff inside of an attached genpd
then it would be better than having the driver manage clocks explicitly.
Obviously some devices such as audio codec or uart will need to manage
clocks directly, but this is mostly the exception, not the rule.
> >
> > > > There is certainly no API for that in the clock framework, but for genpd
> > > > your runtime_pm_get() callback for clkdm_A could call runtime_pm_get
> > > > against clkdm_B, which would satisfy the requirement. See section
> > > > 3.1.1.1.7 Clock Domain Dependency in the OMAP4 TRM, version AB.
> >
> > For static dependencies the apis genpd_add/remove_subdomain could probably
> > be used.
> >
> > > To me it seems the API is just clk_get() :) Do you have some
> > > specific example we can use to check? My guess is that the
> > > TRM "Clock Domain Dependency" is just the usual parent child
> > > relationship between clocks that are the clockdomains..
clk_get() only fetches a pointer to the clk. I guess you mean
clk_prepare_enable() to actually increment the use count?
If we used the clk framework here is that it would look something like
this:
clk_enable(clk_a)
-> .enable(clk_a_hw)
-> clk_enable(clk_b)
However, clk_a and clk_b do not have a parent-child relationship in the
clock tree. This is purely a functional relationship between IP blocks.
Modeling this sort of thing in the clk framework would be wrong, and
genpd is a much better place to establish these arbitrary relationships.
> > >
> > > If there is something more magical there certainly that should
> > > be considered though.
> >
> > The hwmods could be transformed to individual genpds also I guess. On DT
> > level though, we would still need a clock pointer to the main clock and a
> > genpd pointer in addition to that.
>
> Hmm a genpd pointer to where exactly? AFAIK each interconnect
> instance should be a genpd provider, and the individual interconnect
> target modules should be consumers for that genpd.
I was thinking that the clock domains would be modeled as genpd objects
with the interconnect target modules attached as struct devices.
>
> > Tony, any thoughts on that? Would this break up the plans for the
> > interconnect completely?
>
> Does using genpd for clockdomains cause issues for using genpd for
> interconnect instances and the target modules?
Can they be the same object in Linux? If there is a one-to-one mapping
between clock domains and the interconnect port then maybe you can just
model them together.
>
> The thing I'd be worried about there is that the clockdomains and
> their child clocks are just devices sitting on the interconnect,
> so we could easily end up with genpd modeling something that does
> not represent the hardware.
>
> For example, on 4430 we have:
>
> l4_cfg interconnect
> ...
> segment@0
> ...
> target_module@4000
> cm1: cm1@0
How about:
l4_cfg interconnect
...
segment@0
...
cm1@4000
module: foo_module@0
I don't know much about the segments. Do they map one-to-one with the
clock domains?
> ...
> ...
> target_module@8000
> cm2: cm2@0
> ...
>
>
> l4_wkup interonnect
> ...
> segment@0
> ...
> target_module@6000
> prm: prm@0
> ...
> target_module@a000
> scrm: scrm@0
> ...
>
> So what do you guys have in mind for using genpd in the above
> example for the clockdomains?
If my quick-and-dirty DT above makes sense, then the target modules
(e.g. io controller) would not get clocks anymore, but just
pm_runtime_get(). The genpd backing object would call clk_enable/disable
as needed.
If fine grained control of a clock is needed (e.g. for clk_set_rate)
then the driver can still clk_get it. Whether or not the clockdomain
provides that clock or if it comes from the clock generator (e.g. cm1,
cm2, prm, etc) isn't as important to me, but I prefer for the
clockdomain to not be a clock provider if possible.
>
> To me it seems that the interconnect instances like l4_cfg and
> l4_wkup above should be genpd providers.
Agreed.
> I don't at least yet
> follow what we need to do with the clockdomains with genpd :)
Use the clockdomain genpd to call clk_enable/disable under the hood.
Don't use them as clock providers to the target modules. Clockdomain
genpds would be the clock consumers.
>
> Wouldn't just doing clk_get() from one clockdomain clock to
> another clockdomain clock (or it's output) be enough to
> represent the clockdomain dependencies?
s/clk_get/clk_prepare_enable/
Yes, but you're stuffing functional dependencies into the clock tree,
which sucks. genpd was created to model these arbitrary dependencies.
Regards,
Mike
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony
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