> On Nov 19, 2023, at 6:42 AM, Martin Wege <martin.l.wege@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 7:36 PM Chuck Lever III <chuck.lever@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:03 PM, Trond Myklebust <trondmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 17:03 +0000, Chuck Lever III wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Trond Myklebust >>>>> <trondmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 2023-11-18 at 16:41 +0000, Chuck Lever III wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:42 AM, Cedric Blancher >>>>>>> <cedric.blancher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 08:42, Cedric Blancher >>>>>>> <cedric.blancher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How owns bugzilla.linux-nfs.org? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apologies for the type, it should be "who", not "how". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But the problem remains, I still did not get an account >>>>>>> creation >>>>>>> token >>>>>>> via email for *ANY* of my email addresses. It appears account >>>>>>> creation >>>>>>> is broken. >>>>>> >>>>>> Trond owns it. But he's already showed me the SMTP log from >>>>>> Sunday night: a token was sent out. Have you checked your >>>>>> spam folders? >>>>> >>>>> I'm closing it down. It has been run and paid for by me, but I >>>>> don't >>>>> have time or resources to keep doing so. >>>> >>>> Understood about lack of resources, but is there no-one who can >>>> take over for you, at least in the short term? Yanking it out >>>> without warning is not cool. >>>> >>>> Does this announcement include git.linux-nfs.org >>>> <http://git.linux-nfs.org/> and >>>> wiki.linux-nfs.org <http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/> as well? >>>> >>>> As this site is a long-time community-used resource, it would >>>> be fair if we could come up with a transition plan if it truly >>>> needs to go away. >>>> >>> >>> Ever since the NFSv4 code went into the kernel, I've been telling you >>> that bugzilla.linux-nfs.org is deprecated. >> >> I don't recall that, and the usual courteous thing to do is >> put a banner on the log in page for a time, or at least >> warn folks that the site going away imminently. >> >> >>> We don't need 2 bug tracking >>> resources, and bugzilla.kernel.org is the more general option that >>> tracks all Linux kernel related issues. >> >> bugzilla.linux-nfs.org <http://bugzilla.linux-nfs.org/> is for upstream nfs-utils bugs too, >> and I think there were even one or two TI-RPC related bugs >> there as well. So, not redundant in the least. >> >> But I see you've already taken the whole thing down, so I >> guess that's moot. >> >> I can only regard the tone and suddenness of this removal >> as a personal jab, since you know very well that Jeff and >> I were still using the site and that we had bugs and to-dos >> in flight. > > Could you please tone it down? I don't think it was intended as a > "personal jab". Sounds more like Trond is in pain. Trond is the CTO of a start-up storage vendor. He's not some kid in a basement. If Trond is in pain, he can ask for help like an adult. Ripping down a community resource without any warning or discussion is not adult behavior. As has been stated already, and bears repeating: Trond, if you want to step back, that is fine. But folks are clearly not prepared for this community resource to simply vanish. Let's come up with a transition plan. > But I'm also sour about this, but for different reasons: There is no > single altruistic company who easily can help out quickly since Sun > Microsystems went down. Let's not conflate the needs of the NFS community as a whole with the needs of Linux NFS developers. The folks who need to step up here are the Linux distributors. We also have a variety of source forges like GitHub and GitLab that are designed to provide these services. > I bitterly remember the LinuxTag/LinuxWorld conferences here in > Germany where they were singing mocking songs about SUN&Solaris, > "Linux WON, we'll take over the world' blabla. They forgot who helped > them, and were always nice to the Opensource world. > > Who is left now? > > SUN is gone, HP&IBM mostly look at money (that includes Redhat, who > now gets ruined by IBM's bean counters), and who is left and will > altruistically help out in such a situation? It's not that bleak, IMO. -- Chuck Lever
