On Wednesday, 15 of October 2008, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:40:15 -0700 > Greg KH <greg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Just wondering, I know that -next is failing right now, and is a major > > pain to produce, but that seems to be primarily due to all of the > > subsystems merging with Linus right now. > > No, I'd say it's primarily due to subsystem maintainers losing > discipline and changing (or compile-time and runtime breaking) other > people's stuff. This problem appears to have become much worse since > linux-next started. I suspect Stephen is cleaning up others' trash so > they're producing more of it. > > This situation has totally screwed me over, because my tree is so > dependent upon the composite everyone-else tree. And a large reason > for that dependency is not that I'm carrying patches against other > people's code - it's that they're changing (or breaking) things which > lie outside their area of responsibility. > > During Stephen's absence I was forced to try to assemble a > linux-next-like tree locally and that has become much much harder than > it was before linux-next, because all those trees have gone so rampant. > > On one day of last week it took me from 10:00AM until 4:00PM just to > get all the patches applied and partially compiling, despite the fact > that I had them all applied and compiling 24 hours beforehand. > > > So does it even make sense to try to create a -next during the 2 weeks > > of the major merge window? It seems to just cause you a whole lot of > > work, that in the end, is mostly unecessary as all of the subsystem > > maintainers are doing the merging themselves as trees move into Linus's > > tree? > > > > It's very useful to me, because my tree is based on everyone else's. > With no linux-next I'd need to either go back to pulling everyone > else's junk or I'd need to rebase on mainline. > > The latter is sorely tempting. It would save me vast amounts of time > and hair-tearing. I'd base my tree on mainline and dammit I'd merge > first. So everyone who has been changing stuff which is outside their > area of responsibility and breaking other people's stuff would get to > see the consequences of their actions instead of Stephen and I bearing > the brunt of it all the time. > > > I fear we've reached the stage now where people are merrily merging > bright-and-shiny things into their local trees without giving much > thought at all to the consequences for others. Not to mention trying to compile their trees or to test them. :-( -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-next" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
