On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:40:15 -0700 Greg KH <greg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Just wondering, I know that -next is failing right now, and is a major > pain to produce, but that seems to be primarily due to all of the > subsystems merging with Linus right now. No, I'd say it's primarily due to subsystem maintainers losing discipline and changing (or compile-time and runtime breaking) other people's stuff. This problem appears to have become much worse since linux-next started. I suspect Stephen is cleaning up others' trash so they're producing more of it. This situation has totally screwed me over, because my tree is so dependent upon the composite everyone-else tree. And a large reason for that dependency is not that I'm carrying patches against other people's code - it's that they're changing (or breaking) things which lie outside their area of responsibility. During Stephen's absence I was forced to try to assemble a linux-next-like tree locally and that has become much much harder than it was before linux-next, because all those trees have gone so rampant. On one day of last week it took me from 10:00AM until 4:00PM just to get all the patches applied and partially compiling, despite the fact that I had them all applied and compiling 24 hours beforehand. > So does it even make sense to try to create a -next during the 2 weeks > of the major merge window? It seems to just cause you a whole lot of > work, that in the end, is mostly unecessary as all of the subsystem > maintainers are doing the merging themselves as trees move into Linus's > tree? > It's very useful to me, because my tree is based on everyone else's. With no linux-next I'd need to either go back to pulling everyone else's junk or I'd need to rebase on mainline. The latter is sorely tempting. It would save me vast amounts of time and hair-tearing. I'd base my tree on mainline and dammit I'd merge first. So everyone who has been changing stuff which is outside their area of responsibility and breaking other people's stuff would get to see the consequences of their actions instead of Stephen and I bearing the brunt of it all the time. I fear we've reached the stage now where people are merrily merging bright-and-shiny things into their local trees without giving much thought at all to the consequences for others. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-next" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
