Hello, When using r8169 with kernel 8169, it takes some seconds and the machine freezes. I have connected the RJ45 with a hub. When I plug-in a laptop to the hub, everything seems to work fine (DHCP), but when using for example scp and copying large files the machine crashes. lspci: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce3 Host Bridge (rev a4) 0000:00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce3 LPC Bridge (rev a6) 0000:00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation nForce3 SMBus (rev a4) 0000:00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 USB 1.1 (rev a5) 0000:00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 USB 1.1 (rev a5) 0000:00:02.2 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 USB 2.0 (rev a2) 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 Audio (rev a2) 0000:00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce3 IDE (rev a5) 0000:00:0a.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce3 PCI Bridge (rev a2) 0000:00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce3 AGP Bridge (rev a4) 0000:00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 0000:00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 0000:00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 0000:00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 0000:01:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) 0000:01:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture (rev 12) 0000:01:09.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D / AIC-7881U 0000:01:0a.0 Network controller: AVM Audiovisuelles MKTG & Computer System GmbH B1 ISDN 0000:01:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 (rev 10) 0000:01:0c.0 RAID bus controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc.: Unknown device 8212 (rev 11) 0000:01:0d.0 RAID bus controller: CMD Technology Inc: Unknown device 3512 (rev 01) 0000:01:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) dmesg: idge 00:0a from 10de found. Setting "noapic". Overwrite with "apic" ACPI: RSDP (v000 Nvidia ) @ 0x00000000000f6db0 ACPI: RSDT (v001 Nvidia AWRDACPI 0x42302e31 AWRD 0x01010101) @ 0x000000001fff3000 ACPI: FADT (v001 Nvidia AWRDACPI 0x42302e31 AWRD 0x01010101) @ 0x000000001fff3040 ACPI: MADT (v001 Nvidia AWRDACPI 0x42302e31 AWRD 0x01010101) @ 0x000000001fff7dc0 ACPI: DSDT (v001 NVIDIA AWRDACPI 0x00001000 MSFT 0x0100000c) @ 0x0000000000000000 ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000 ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) Processor #0 15:4 APIC version 16 ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] dfl dfl lint[0x1]) ACPI: Skipping IOAPIC probe due to 'noapic' option. Using ACPI for processor (LAPIC) configuration information Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4 Virtual Wire compatibility mode. OEM ID: OEM00000 <6>Product ID: PROD00000000 <6>APIC at: 0xFEE00000 I/O APIC #2 Version 17 at 0xFEC00000. Processors: 1 Checking aperture... CPU 0: aperture @ e0000000 size 128 MB Built 1 zonelists Kernel command line: hdc=ide-scsi vga=0x317 video=mtrr,vesa=1024x768 root=/dev/hdb3 acpi=force lapic splash=silent console=tty0 ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi bootsplash: silent mode. Initializing CPU#0 PID hash table entries: 16 (order 4: 256 bytes) time.c: Using 1.193182 MHz PIT timer. time.c: Detected 2009.154 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Memory: 509880k/524224k available (2503k kernel code, 13564k reserved, 1149k data, 148k init) Calibrating delay loop... 3981.31 BogoMIPS Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 256 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (ungzip failed); looks like an initrd CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line) CPU: L2 Cache: 1024K (64 bytes/line) CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ stepping 08 POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Using local APIC NMI watchdog using perfctr0 Using local APIC timer interrupts. Detected 12.557 MHz APIC timer. NET: Registered protocol family 16 PCI: Using configuration type 1 mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Level Trigger. ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.HUB0._PRT] ACPI: Power Resource [ISAV] (on) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.AGPB._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK1] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 *7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK2] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK3] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK4] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK5] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 *7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LUBA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LUBB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LMAC] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LAPU] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LACI] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LMCI] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LSMB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 *7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LUB2] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 *11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LFIR] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [L3CM] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LIDE] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LSID] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC1] (IRQs *16) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC2] (IRQs *17) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC3] (IRQs *18) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC4] (IRQs *19) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC5] (IRQs *16) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCF] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCG] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCH] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCI] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCJ] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCK] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCS] (IRQs *23) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCL] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCM] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [AP3C] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCZ] (IRQs 20 21 22) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APSI] (IRQs 20 21 22) SCSI subsystem initialized drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new driver usbfs drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new driver hub ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LSMB] enabled at IRQ 7 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LUBA] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LUBB] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LUB2] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LACI] enabled at IRQ 9 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK3] enabled at IRQ 9 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK1] enabled at IRQ 7 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK2] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK4] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK5] enabled at IRQ 7 PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing PCI: if you experience problems, try using option 'pci=noacpi' or even 'acpi=off' agpgart: Detected AGP bridge 0 agpgart: Setting up Nforce3 AGP. agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe0000000 PCI-DMA: Disabling IOMMU. vesafb: framebuffer at 0xe8000000, mapped to 0xffffff000004e000, size 16384k vesafb: mode is 1024x768x16, linelength=2048, pages=1 vesafb: scrolling: redraw vesafb: directcolor: size=0:5:6:5, shift=0:11:5:0 fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device IA32 emulation $Id: sys_ia32.c,v 1.32 2002/03/24 13:02:28 ak Exp $ ikconfig 0.7 with /proc/config* devfs: 2004-01-31 Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) devfs: boot_options: 0x1 Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de). Initializing Cryptographic API ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports C1) mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice input: PC Speaker serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 input: PS/2 Generic Mouse on isa0060/serio1 serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 bootsplash 3.1.4-2004/02/19: looking for picture.... silentjpeg size 21830 bytes, found (1024x768, 16923 bytes, v3). Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 122x40 Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing disabled ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Using anticipatory io scheduler Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize loop: loaded (max 8 devices) Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx NFORCE3: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:08.0 NFORCE3: chipset revision 165 NFORCE3: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later NFORCE3: BIOS didn't set cable bits correctly. Enabling workaround. NFORCE3: BIOS didn't set cable bits correctly. Enabling workaround. NFORCE3: 0000:00:08.0 (rev a5) UDMA133 controller ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA hda: Maxtor 6E040L0, ATA DISK drive hdb: MAXTOR 6L040J2, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 hdc: JLMS XJ-HD165H, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdd: IOMEGA ZIP 250 ATAPI Floppy, ATAPI FLOPPY drive hdd: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdd: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 ide1: Drive 1 didn't accept speed setting. Oh, well. ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: max request size: 128KiB hda: 80293248 sectors (41110 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(133) /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 hdb: max request size: 128KiB hdb: 78177792 sectors (40027 MB) w/1819KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(133) /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1 p2 p3 ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide hdd: No disk in drive hdd: 244736kB, 239/64/32 CHS, 4096 kBps, 512 sector size, 2941 rpm oprofile: using NMI interrupt. NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 32Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 32768 bind 32768) NET: Registered protocol family 1 NET: Registered protocol family 10 IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver NET: Registered protocol family 17 ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S4 S5) RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: recovery complete. EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. Mounted devfs on /dev Freeing unused kernel memory: 148k freed Adding 1028152k swap on /dev/hdb2. Priority:-1 extents:1 EXT3 FS on hdb3, internal journal 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27 eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xffffff0001051000, 00:e0:4c:39:30:fb, IRQ 9 eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C' r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 1.2 loaded r8169: PCI device 0000:01:0b.0: unknown chip version, assuming RTL-8169 r8169: PCI device 0000:01:0b.0: TxConfig = 0x4000000 eth1: Identified chip type is 'RTL-8169'. eth1: RealTek RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet at 0xffffff0001053000, 00:0d:61:51:4a:fe, IRQ 11 eth1: Auto-negotiation Enabled. eth1: 100Mbps Full-duplex operation. nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86_64 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-5332 Fri Jan 9 12:42:32 PST 2004 CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 ide-scsi is deprecated for cd burning! Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as device scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: JLMS Model: XJ-HD165H Rev: CH0Z Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 5 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:06.0 to 64 intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 49531 usecs intel8x0: clocking to 47391 eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 Linux video capture interface: v1.00 bttv: driver version 0.9.12 loaded bttv: using 8 buffers with 2080k (520 pages) each for capture bttv: Bt8xx card found (0). bttv0: Bt848 (rev 18) at 0000:01:08.0, irq: 7, latency: 32, mmio: 0xf0000000 bttv0: using: MIRO PCTV [card=1,insmod option] bttv0: gpio: en=00000000, out=00000000 in=00ff07ff [init] bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found bttv0: miro: id=1 tuner=0 radio=no stereo=no bttv0: using tuner=0 bttv0: i2c: checking for MSP34xx @ 0x80... not found bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA9875 @ 0xb0... not found bttv0: i2c: checking for TDA7432 @ 0x8a... not found tvaudio: TV audio decoder + audio/video mux driver tvaudio: known chips: tda9840,tda9873h,tda9874h/a,tda9850,tda9855,tea6300,tea6420,tda8425,pic16c54 (PV951),ta8874z tuner: chip found at addr 0xc0 i2c-bus bt848 #0 [sw] tuner: type set to 0 (Temic PAL (4002 FH5)) by bt848 #0 [sw] bttv0: registered device video0 bttv0: registered device vbi0 kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on hdb1, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. ohci_hcd: 2004 Feb 02 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) ohci_hcd: block sizes: ed 80 td 96 ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: nVidia Corporation nForce3 USB 1.1 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:02.0 to 64 ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: irq 11, pci mem ffffff00010ee000 ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 3 ports detected ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: nVidia Corporation nForce3 USB 1.1 (#2) ******* Your BIOS seems to not contain a fix for K8 errata #93 ******* Working around it, but it may cause SEGVs or burn power. ******* Please consider a BIOS update. ******* Disabling USB legacy in the BIOS may also help. PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:02.1 to 64 ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: irq 11, pci mem ffffff00010f0000 ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 2-0:1.0: 3 ports detected ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: nVidia Corporation nForce3 USB 2.0 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:02.2 to 64 ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: irq 11, pci mem ffffff00010f2000 ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 PCI: cache line size of 64 is not supported by device 0000:00:02.2 ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: USB 2.0 enabled, EHCI 1.00, driver 2003-Dec-29 hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 3-0:1.0: 6 ports detected scsi1 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36 <Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter> aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs usb 2-1: new low speed USB device using address 2 input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Microsoft Microsoft 5-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)] on usb-0000:00:02.1-1 drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new driver hid drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 3 drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new driver usblp drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x3004 eth0: no IPv6 routers present (scsi1:A:4): 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) Vendor: TEAC Model: CD-W512SB Rev: 1.0B Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi1, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi1, channel 0, id 4, lun 0, type 5 CAPI Subsystem Rev 1.1.2.7 b1: revision 1.1.2.2 b1dma: revision 1.1.2.3 b1pci: PCI BIOS reports AVM-B1 at i/o 0x9c00, irq 9 kcapi: Controller 1: b1pci-9c00 attached b1pci: AVM B1 PCI at i/o 0x9c00, irq 9, revision 2 b1pci: revision 1.1.2.2 libata version 1.02 loaded. sata_sil version 0.54 ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xFFFFFF00010F8080 ctl 0xFFFFFF00010F808A bmdma 0xFFFFFF00010F8000 irq 11 ata2: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xFFFFFF00010F80C0 ctl 0xFFFFFF00010F80CA bmdma 0xFFFFFF00010F8008 irq 11 ata1: no device found (phy stat 00000000) ata1: thread exiting scsi2 : sata_sil ata2: no device found (phy stat 00000000) ata2: thread exiting scsi3 : sata_sil USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device ffffffff8043fe00(lo) parport0: PC-style at 0x278 (0x678) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport0: irq 5 detected lp0: using parport0 (polling). ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team ip_conntrack version 2.1 (2047 buckets, 16376 max) - 432 bytes per conntrack bootsplash 3.1.4-2004/02/19: looking for picture.... found (1024x768, 16923 bytes, v3). bootsplash: status on console 0 changed to on eth1: no IPv6 routers present agpgart: Found an AGP 3.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 8x mode agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:02:00.0 into 8x mode uname -a: Linux amd64 2.6.5-gentoo #7 Tue Apr 13 22:34:12 CEST 2004 x86_64 4 GNU/Linux gcc: gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 20040217 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.3, propolice-3.3-7) ifconfig eth1: eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0D:61:51:4A:FE inet addr:192.168.100.1 Bcast:192.168.100.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::20d:61ff:fe51:4afe/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:7 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:650 (650.0 b) TX bytes:780 (780.0 b) Interrupt:11 Base address:0x3000 Any ideas? 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