Re: Do we need a reliable multicast in kernel?

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:15:45 +0800 (CST)
"Zhu, Yi" <yi.zhu@intel.com> wrote:

> Reliable multicast transport layer is useful in the intranet.
> If kernel can provide this, a lot of cluster softwares can
> benefit from it.

Who cares?

Nobody uses ipv4 multicast.  Do you know how I can tell?  The
fact that I _NEVER_ see bug reports for ipv4 multicast usage
yet I know there must be bugs lurking there.

The only time people actually use any kind of multicast is via
the automatic network scanning mechanisms of IPV6, and typically
these show up ethernet driver multicast bugs.

These ethernet driver bugs in multicast handling are usually so severe
that it is clear that it would be impossible for ipv4 multicast to
work at all on such cards.  Therefore, it is clear that at a minimum
the set of people having such cards were not trying to use ipv4
multicast.

Multicast on ipv4 had a lot of potential, but (as stated by those
wiser than I, such as Jacobson) the web "killed the internet" and
that's why we're left with what we have today as a content
distribution mechanism (HTTP) instead of something more distributed
and intelligent (DNS).

People on clusters use their own special clustering hardware and
protocol stacks _ANYWAYS_ because ipv4 is too general to serve their
performance needs.  And I think that is a good thing rather than
a bad thing.  People should use specialized solutions if that is the
best way to attack their problem.
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