From: Chris Hanson <cph@zurich.ai.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:05:11 -0400 We do not program the device into a usable state until it is upped so that we do not have to allocate resources (memory, etc.) while a device is down. I see. So I assume that means all of the drivers will be updated to require this, rather than just the small number that now does? That is not necessarily the case. What is the case is that you absolutely cannot assume that a non-UP interface will give a valid link status. - : send the line "unsubscribe linux-net" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html