Re: dosemu and accessibility

[Julius Schwartzenberg <julius.schwartzenberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Alright, I will continue with top posting then. I think arch would help 
a lot as it has more packages, also through AUR. I would recommend 
starting from scratch and installing the fdpp, comcom32 and dosemu2 
packages. fdpp and comcom32 provide a DOS environment inside dosemu2, so 
you do not have to provide a copy of dos. You can still do so if that is 
preferable however.

Op 31-03-2021 om 14:13 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> Yes, easier to get to with top posting.  Slackware hasn't yet got 
> dosemu2 but archlinux has it in git and since hard drives are 
> interchangeable here I can run archlinux.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:
>
> > Are mail replies at the top easier for you to process?
> >
> > It would be better to move to DOSEMU2 as nobody can really help with 
> > the older version anymore. Do you have the ability to sign up for a 
> > GitHub account? To receive the mails on dosemu2 one has to log on to 
> > GitHub and press "watch" and then "all activity" at the top of of this 
> > page:
> > https://github.com/dosemu2/dosemu2
> >
> > Let it know if that turns out to be difficult. Using dumb or terminal 
> > mode would indeed seem the easiest way to have dosemu accessible as 
> > those modes are entirely text based. Are you aware of graphical 
> > software for dos that has accessibility features?
> >
> > Op 30-03-2021 om 21:59 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> > >  Hi, I have cloned stuff from github before and built it on my 
> > > system. This
> > >  distribution is slint.  When packages are new, slackbuilds.org may 
> > > have a
> > >  SlackBuild script made for the package so others can install it on 
> > > slint
> > >  and on slackware.  Slint is slackware international version and is at
> > >  https://slint.fr/. ; All of this work was done in dosemu 1.4.0.8.
> > >  I learned sdl exposes no accessibility information at all so it's
> > >  unuseable for any screen readers.  I thought that was the case and 
> > > got it
> > >  confirmed by a sighted person doing accessibility work on orca.  I'm
> > >  running dosemu with espeakup and will try it later with provox and tdsr
> > >  two other console screen readers.
> > >  Better yet to move on up to dosemu2 as well.  Thanks for the heads 
> > > up on
> > >  this and if dosemu2 has its own email list I'd like to subscribe to 
> > > that
> > >  one.
> > >
> > >
> > >  On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Julius Schwartzenberg wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Hi Jude,
> > > >
> > > >  Op 29-03-2021 om 10:43 schreef Jude DaShiell:
> > > > >   I put a .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc file together since a long-standing
> > > > >  friend
> > > > >   has some dos applications he'd like to run and both of us are blind.
> > > >  I saw some of your previous messages and I think it is important to
> > > >  highlight that as you are blind, you are using different equipment 
> > > > than
> > > >  what previous respondents probably assumed you were using.
> > > >
> > > >  This mailing list is barely used anymore by the rest of the DOSEMU 
> > > > user
> > > >  community and so are all the 1.x versions of DOSEMU. There is now a
> > > >  GitHub project started by Stas, the DOSEMU 2 project, with 
> > > > versioning to
> > > >  be 2.x based and interaction went over to the infrastructure that 
> > > > GitHub
> > > >  is providing. The accessibility consequences of this were most likely
> > > >  never taken into consideration.
> > > >
> > > >  Unfortunately it is not something that can be changed overnight, but I
> > > >  think it would be appropriate to strive to fix this, especially if you
> > > >  would be interested in being more involved and/or there might be even
> > > >  more DOSEMU users in a similar situation.
> > > >
> > > >  My proposal would be to set up some simple webpages that are 
> > > > friendly to
> > > >  screen readers and braille devices as part of the new DOSEMU 2 project
> > > >  with instructions to install newer packages particularly for
> > > >  distributions that handle screen readers and braille screens well 
> > > > or at
> > > >  least the distributions popular among users of such devices. Maybe 
> > > > your
> > > >  .dosemurc and .mtoolsrc could be provided as well.
> > > >
> > > >  There could possibly be an instruction to sign up your e-mail 
> > > > address as
> > > >  a so-called watcher to the DOSEMU 2 project or maybe we could link 
> > > > this
> > > >  mailing list so it watches the DOSEMU 2 project. The amount of 
> > > > traffic is
> > > >  quite significant, on some days only a few messages, but sometimes 
> > > > there
> > > >  might be over 20 mails a day. Note that you can respond to those 
> > > > messages
> > > >  by e-mail and the replies will by part of the conversation as usual.
> > > >  Searching online I found a community on GitHub called Blind Computing.
> > > >  Maybe we could ask them for advice.
> > > >
> > > >  How easy would it be for you to upgrade to a newer DOSEMU if 
> > > > packages are
> > > >  not provided by your distribution? Which distribution are you using?
> > > >  What do you think of my proposals regarding the mails?
> > > >
> > > >  Here is the GitHub project for DOSEMU 2, I do not know if you can 
> > > > access
> > > >  it comfortably:
> > > >  https://github.com/dosemu2
> > > >
> > > >  Here is the page on the Blind Computing website about contributing to
> > > >  their GitHub project:
> > > >  https://blindcomputing.org/contributing/
> > > >
> > > >  Best regards,
> > > >  Julius