2017-11-18 1:49 GMT+08:00 Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@xxxxxxxxxx>: > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> 2017-11-18 1:35 GMT+08:00 Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@xxxxxxxxxx>: >>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> 2017-11-18 0:45 GMT+08:00 Roman Gushchin <guro@xxxxxx>: >>>>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 12:20:40AM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote: >>>>>> 2017-11-17 23:55 GMT+08:00 Roman Gushchin <guro@xxxxxx>: >>>>>> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 08:43:17PM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote: >>>>>> >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> >> > Currently the default tmpfs size is totalram_pages / 2 if mount tmpfs >>>>>> >> > without "-o size=XXX". >>>>>> >> > When we mount tmpfs in a container(i.e. docker), it is also >>>>>> >> > totalram_pages / 2 regardless of the memory limit on this container. >>>>>> >> > That may easily cause OOM if tmpfs occupied too much memory when swap is >>>>>> >> > off. >>>>>> >> > So when we mount tmpfs in a memcg, the default size should be limited by >>>>>> >> > the memcg memory.limit. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> The pages of the tmpfs files are charged to the memcg of allocators >>>>>> >> which can be in memcg different from the memcg in which the mount >>>>>> >> operation happened. So, tying the size of a tmpfs mount where it was >>>>>> >> mounted does not make much sense. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Also, memory limit is adjustable, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. But that's irrelevant. >>>>>> >>>>>> > and using a particular limit value >>>>>> > at a moment of tmpfs mounting doesn't provide any warranties further. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> I can not agree. >>>>>> The default size of tmpfs is totalram / 2, the reason we do this is to >>>>>> provide any warranties further IMHO. >>>>>> >>>>>> > Is there a reason why the userspace app which is mounting tmpfs can't >>>>>> > set the size based on memory.limit? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's because of misuse. >>>>>> The application should set size with "-o size=" when mount tmpfs, but >>>>>> not all applications do this. >>>>>> As we can't guarantee that all applications will do this, we should >>>>>> give them a proper default value. >>>>> >>>>> The value you're suggesting is proper only if an app which is mounting >>>>> tmpfs resides in the same memcg >>>> >>>> Yes. >>>> But maybe that's mostly used today? >>>> >>>>> and the memory limit will not be adjusted >>>>> significantly later. >>>> >>>> There's a similar issue for physical memory adjusted by memory hotplug. >>>> So what will happen if the physical memory adjusted significantly later ? >>>> >>>>> Otherwise you can end up with a default value, which >>>>> is worse than totalram/2, for instance, if tmpfs is mounted by some helper, >>>>> which is located in a separate and very limited memcg. >>>> >>>> That may happen. >>>> Maybe we could improve the solution to handle this issue ? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Let's backtrack, what is the actual concern? If a user/process inside >>> a memcg is allocating pages for a file on a tmpfs mounted without size >>> parameter, you want the OS to return ENOSPC (if allocation is done by >>> write syscall) earlier to not cause the user/process's memcg to OOM. >>> Is that right? >>> >> >> Right. >> >>> First, there is no guarantee to not cause OOM by restricting tmpfs to >>> half the size of memcg limit due to the presence of other memory >>> charged to that memcg. The memcg can OOM even before the tmpfs hits >>> its size. >>> >> >> Just guarantee that the OOM not caused by misuse of tmpfs. >> >>> Second, the users who really care to avoid such scenario should just >>> set the size parameter of tmpfs. >> >> Of couse that is the best way. >> But we can not ensue all applications will do it. >> That's why I introduce a proper defalut value for them. >> > > I think we disagree on the how to get proper default value. Unless you > can restrict that all the memory allocated for a tmpfs mount will be > charged to a specific memcg, you should not just pick limit of the > memcg of the process mounting the tmpfs to set the default of tmpfs > mount. If you can restrict tmpfs charging to a specific memcg then the > limit of that memcg should be used to set the default of the tmpfs > mount. However this feature is not present in the upstream kernel at > the moment (We have this feature in our local kernel and I am planning > to upstream that). That will be fine if you could upstream this feature ASAP :) Thanks Yafang -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>
