2017-11-18 1:35 GMT+08:00 Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@xxxxxxxxxx>: > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> 2017-11-18 0:45 GMT+08:00 Roman Gushchin <guro@xxxxxx>: >>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 12:20:40AM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote: >>>> 2017-11-17 23:55 GMT+08:00 Roman Gushchin <guro@xxxxxx>: >>>> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 08:43:17PM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote: >>>> >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >> > Currently the default tmpfs size is totalram_pages / 2 if mount tmpfs >>>> >> > without "-o size=XXX". >>>> >> > When we mount tmpfs in a container(i.e. docker), it is also >>>> >> > totalram_pages / 2 regardless of the memory limit on this container. >>>> >> > That may easily cause OOM if tmpfs occupied too much memory when swap is >>>> >> > off. >>>> >> > So when we mount tmpfs in a memcg, the default size should be limited by >>>> >> > the memcg memory.limit. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> The pages of the tmpfs files are charged to the memcg of allocators >>>> >> which can be in memcg different from the memcg in which the mount >>>> >> operation happened. So, tying the size of a tmpfs mount where it was >>>> >> mounted does not make much sense. >>>> > >>>> > Also, memory limit is adjustable, >>>> >>>> Yes. But that's irrelevant. >>>> >>>> > and using a particular limit value >>>> > at a moment of tmpfs mounting doesn't provide any warranties further. >>>> > >>>> >>>> I can not agree. >>>> The default size of tmpfs is totalram / 2, the reason we do this is to >>>> provide any warranties further IMHO. >>>> >>>> > Is there a reason why the userspace app which is mounting tmpfs can't >>>> > set the size based on memory.limit? >>>> >>>> That's because of misuse. >>>> The application should set size with "-o size=" when mount tmpfs, but >>>> not all applications do this. >>>> As we can't guarantee that all applications will do this, we should >>>> give them a proper default value. >>> >>> The value you're suggesting is proper only if an app which is mounting >>> tmpfs resides in the same memcg >> >> Yes. >> But maybe that's mostly used today? >> >>> and the memory limit will not be adjusted >>> significantly later. >> >> There's a similar issue for physical memory adjusted by memory hotplug. >> So what will happen if the physical memory adjusted significantly later ? >> >>> Otherwise you can end up with a default value, which >>> is worse than totalram/2, for instance, if tmpfs is mounted by some helper, >>> which is located in a separate and very limited memcg. >> >> That may happen. >> Maybe we could improve the solution to handle this issue ? >> >> > > Let's backtrack, what is the actual concern? If a user/process inside > a memcg is allocating pages for a file on a tmpfs mounted without size > parameter, you want the OS to return ENOSPC (if allocation is done by > write syscall) earlier to not cause the user/process's memcg to OOM. > Is that right? > Right. > First, there is no guarantee to not cause OOM by restricting tmpfs to > half the size of memcg limit due to the presence of other memory > charged to that memcg. The memcg can OOM even before the tmpfs hits > its size. > Just guarantee that the OOM not caused by misuse of tmpfs. > Second, the users who really care to avoid such scenario should just > set the size parameter of tmpfs. Of couse that is the best way. But we can not ensue all applications will do it. That's why I introduce a proper defalut value for them. Thanks Yafang -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>
