On Fri 07-10-16 11:16:26, Hugh Dickins wrote: > On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 08:34:15AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > Would you be willing to look at doing that kind of purely syntactic, > > > non-semantic cleanup first? > > > > Sure, more than happy to do that! I'll work on a patch for this. > > > > > I think that if we end up having the FOLL_FORCE semantics, we're > > > actually better off having an explicit FOLL_FORCE flag, and *not* do > > > some kind of implicit "under these magical circumstances we'll force > > > it anyway". The implicit thing is what we used to do long long ago, we > > > definitely don't want to. > > > > That's a good point, it would definitely be considerably more 'magical', and > > expanding the conditions to include uprobes etc. would only add to that. > > > > I wondered about an alternative parameter/flag but it felt like it was > > more-or-less FOLL_FORCE in a different form, at which point it may as well > > remain FOLL_FORCE :) > > Adding Jan Kara (and Dave Hansen) to the Cc list: I think they were > pursuing get_user_pages() cleanups last year (which would remove the > force option from most callers anyway), and I've lost track of where > that all got to. Lorenzo, please don't expend a lot of effort before > checking with Jan. Yeah, so my cleanups where mostly concerned about mmap_sem locking and reducing number of places which cared about those. Regarding flags for get_user_pages() / get_vaddr_frames(), I agree that using flags argument as Linus suggests will make it easier to see what the callers actually want. So I'm for that. Regarding the FOLL_FORCE I've had a discussion about its use in Infiniband drivers in 2013 with Roland Dreier. He referenced me to discussion https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/1/26/7 and summarized that they use FOLL_FORCE to trigger possible COW early. That avoids the situation when the process triggers COW of the pages later after DMA buffers are set up which results in the DMA result to not be visible where the process expects it... I'll defer to others whether that is a sane or intended use of FOLL_FORCE flag but I suppose that is the reason why most drivers use it when setting up DMA buffers in memory passed from userspace. Honza -- Jan Kara <jack@xxxxxxxx> SUSE Labs, CR -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>