On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 03:57:58PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:52:22PM +0100, Alexander Sverdlin wrote: > > Hello Peter, > > > > On 28/01/2021 12:33, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > This, from commit 6b07d38aaa52 ("MIPS: Octeon: Use optimized memory > > > barrier primitives."): > > > > > > #define smp_mb__before_llsc() smp_wmb() > > > #define __smp_mb__before_llsc() __smp_wmb() > > > > > > is also dodgy as hell and really wants a comment too. I'm not buying the > > > Changelog of that commit either, __smp_mb__before_llsc should also > > > ensure the LL cannot happen earlier, but SYNCW has no effect on loads. > > > So what stops the load from being speculated? > > > > hmm, the commit message you point to above, says: > > > > "Since Octeon does not do speculative reads, this functions as a full barrier." > > So then the only difference between SYNC and SYNCW is a pipeline drain? > > I still worry about the transitivity thing.. ISTR that being a sticky > point back then too. Ah, there we are, it's called multi-copy-atomic these days: f1ab25a30ce8 ("memory-barriers: Replace uses of "transitive"") Do those SYNCW / write-completion barriers guarantee this?