Re: [PATCH RFCv3] dvb: Add DVBv5 properties for quality parameters

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab
<mchehab@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Em Wed, 2 Jan 2013 00:38:50 +0530
> Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@xxxxxxxxx> escreveu:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab
>> <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Em Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:18:49 +0530
>> > Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@xxxxxxxxx> escreveu:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab
>> >> <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > [RFCv4] dvb: Add DVBv5 properties for quality parameters
>> >> >
>> >> > The DVBv3 quality parameters are limited on several ways:
>> >> >         - Doesn't provide any way to indicate the used measure;
>> >> >         - Userspace need to guess how to calculate the measure;
>> >> >         - Only a limited set of stats are supported;
>> >> >         - Doesn't provide QoS measure for the OFDM TPS/TMCC
>> >> >           carriers, used to detect the network parameters for
>> >> >           DVB-T/ISDB-T;
>> >> >         - Can't be called in a way to require them to be filled
>> >> >           all at once (atomic reads from the hardware), with may
>> >> >           cause troubles on interpreting them on userspace;
>> >> >         - On some OFDM delivery systems, the carriers can be
>> >> >           independently modulated, having different properties.
>> >> >           Currently, there's no way to report per-layer stats;
>> >>
>> >> per layer stats is a mythical bird, nothing of that sort does exist.
>> >
>> > Had you ever read or tried to get stats from an ISDB-T demod? If you
>> > had, you would see that it only provides per-layer stats. Btw, this is
>> > a requirement to follow the ARIB and ABNT ISDB specs.
>>
>> I understand you keep writing junk for ages, but nevertheless:
>>
>> Do you have any idea what's a BBHEADER (DVB-S2) or
>> PLHEADER (DVB-T2) ? The headers do indicate what MODCOD
>> (aka Modulation/Coding Standard follows, whatever mode ACM,
>> VCM or CCM) follows. These MODCOD foolows a TDM approach
>> with a hierarchial modulation principle. This is exactly what ISDB
>> does too.
>
> No, I didn't check DVB-S2/T2 specs deeply enough to understand
> if they're doing the same thing as ISDB.
>
> Yet, ISDB-T doesn't use a TDM approach for hierarchical modulation.
> It uses a FDM (OFDM is a type of Frequency Division Multiplexing).

• ISDB‐T uses a modulation method referred to as Band
Segmented OFDM Transmission with Time Interleave.

Definition: Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) is the time interleaving of
samples from several sources so that the information from these sources
can be transmitted serially over a single communication channel.

Manu
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