Re: [PATCH RFCv3] dvb: Add DVBv5 properties for quality parameters

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Hi Antti,

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Antti Palosaari <crope@xxxxxx> wrote:
> On 01/01/2013 06:48 PM, Manu Abraham wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab
>> <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> [RFCv4] dvb: Add DVBv5 properties for quality parameters
>>>
>>> The DVBv3 quality parameters are limited on several ways:
>>>          - Doesn't provide any way to indicate the used measure;
>>>          - Userspace need to guess how to calculate the measure;
>>>          - Only a limited set of stats are supported;
>>>          - Doesn't provide QoS measure for the OFDM TPS/TMCC
>>>            carriers, used to detect the network parameters for
>>>            DVB-T/ISDB-T;
>>>          - Can't be called in a way to require them to be filled
>>>            all at once (atomic reads from the hardware), with may
>>>            cause troubles on interpreting them on userspace;
>>>          - On some OFDM delivery systems, the carriers can be
>>>            independently modulated, having different properties.
>>>            Currently, there's no way to report per-layer stats;
>>
>>
>> per layer stats is a mythical bird, nothing of that sort does exist. If
>> some
>> driver states that it is simply due to lack of knowledge at the coding
>> side.
>>
>> ISDB-T uses hierarchial modulation, just like DVB-S2 or DVB-T2
>
>
> Manu, you confused now two concept (which are aimed to resolve same real
> life problem) - hierarchical coding and multiple transport stream. Both are
> quite similar on lower level of radio channel, but differs on upper levels.
>
> Hierarchical is a little bit weird baby as it remuxes those lower lever
> radio channels (called layers in case of ISDB-T) to one single mux!

That is not really correct. There is one single OFDM channel, the layers
are processed via hierarchial separation. Stuffing exists, to maintain
constant rate.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8077/8343296328_e1e375b519_b_d.jpg

When rate is constant within the same channel..
(The only case what I can think parameters could be different with a
constant rate,
is that stuffing frames are unaccounted for. Most likely a bug ?)

Manu
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