On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Now, at the same time, I do agree that network devices should generally > try to delay it until ifup time Slightly tangential to the ongoing discussion, but still ... I think that even "all network drivers should delay firmware loading to ifup time" might be too general. I would expect that there are network cards which require firmware to be present for PHY to work, right? On such cards, if you want to have link detection even on interfaces that are down (so that things like ifplugd can detect the link presence and configure the interface), ifup is too late. I admit I haven't checked whether there actually are such cards out there, but it doesn't seem to be completely unrealistic to me. -- Jiri Kosina SUSE Labs -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html