Problems with using dvb_usb_rtl2832u

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Hi

I am using this driver with USB 1b80:s395

Modules load
scandvb gets channels
/dev/dvb gets created
dvbtune seems to tune to transponder

however

none of the other dvb utilities seem to work

ie:

dvbdate
dvbsnoop (except forfeinfo)
dvbtraffic
dvbstream

example

dvbsnoop -s feinfo
dvbsnoop V1.4.50 -- http://dvbsnoop.sourceforge.net/

---------------------------------------------------------
FrontEnd Info...
---------------------------------------------------------

Device: /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

Basic capabilities:
   Name: "Realtek RTL2832 DVB-T  RTL2836 DTMB"
   Frontend-type:       OFDM (DVB-T)
   Frequency (min):     174000.000 kHz
   Frequency (max):     862000.000 kHz
   Frequency stepsiz:   166.667 kHz
   Frequency tolerance: 0.000 kHz
   Symbol rate (min):     0.000000 MSym/s
   Symbol rate (max):     0.000000 MSym/s
   Symbol rate tolerance: 0 ppm
   Notifier delay: 0 ms
   Frontend capabilities:
       auto inversion
       FEC 1/2
       FEC 2/3
       FEC 3/4
       FEC 5/6
       FEC 7/8
       FEC AUTO
       QPSK
       QAM 16
       QAM 64
       QAM AUTO
       auto transmission mode
       auto guard interval
       auto hierarchy

Current parameters:
   Frequency:  497833.000 kHz
   Inversion:  OFF
   Bandwidth:  8 MHz
   Stream code rate (hi prio):  FEC 2/3
   Stream code rate (lo prio):  FEC AUTO
   Modulation:  QAM 64
   Transmission mode:  2k mode
   Guard interval:  1/32
   Hierarchy:  none

dvbdate
.........................
dvbdate: timeout - try tuning to a multiplex?
dvbdate: Unable to get time from multiplex.

any ideas?
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