Hi, Le mercredi 24 août 2022 à 14:13 -0400, Nicolas Dufresne a écrit : > Hi all, > > Le mardi 23 août 2022 à 12:53 +0200, Hans Verkuil a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > > Here is some more information about the Media Summit: > > > > Date: Monday September 12 > > Time: 8:45-18:00 > > Location: Convention Centre Dublin > > Room: The Liffey B - Part 1 (subject to change) > > Sponsored by: Cisco Systems Norway, Collabora and the Kodi Foundation > > [...] > > > Draft Agenda V2: > > > > 8:40 Getting settled > > 9:00 Introduction > > 9:10 Hans: Presentation on CTA-861 & edid-decode > > 9:25 Nicolas: Stateless encoder progress > > Took me a while to wakeup on that one, I didn't have much travel options and I'm > landing on the 12th but only at 11:30am. Do you mind moving this one in the > afternoon ? I have managed to moved my flight a day earlier, so no need to change the schedule anymore. See you all in Dublin, Nicolas > > > 10:00 Ricardo: Introduce ChromeOS camera project > > > > 11:00 Break > > > > 11:15 Kieran: Fault tolerance > > > > I raised this in the past when we first started hitting the issue on > > Renesas platforms with multiple cameras in a single media graph, but now > > I think it's become more critical with desktop / laptop devices that are > > hitting the issue (i.e. the IPU3). > > > > Summary of issue: > > > > - Multiple cameras that can function independently successfully, are > > prevented from functioning or fully probing by V4L2 if one component > > of another camera fails to load or probe. > > > > If Camera A has a VCM, and Camera B does not, Camera B will not be > > available at all if Camera A's VCM is not fully probed, even though > > Camera B can be fully functional and complete. > > > > Even if Camera A does not have the VCM probed, it may still function > > successfully (with a fixed focal position) - but our current > > implementation will mean that it will not even be available to > > capture images. > > > > We talked about this quite a long time ago, and I believe the general > > consensus was that we can have events on the media graph. But > > unfortunately at the time, there was no development scheduled on that, > > and it wasn't something I was able to continue at the time. > > > > I'd like to bring it up to refresh the topic, and see if we can make > > some progress as it's now affecting more general devices. > > > > 11:45 Jacopo: Representing addition sensor processing stages. > > > > How to represent additional processing stages that happens > > on the sensor side, mostly additional subsampling/cropping that happen > > between the analogue cropping on the full pixel array and the final > > image sent on the wire. > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/CAPY8ntA06L1Xsph79sv9t7MiDSNeSO2vADevuXZdXQdhWpSmow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ > > > > Dave made a good introduction of the issue his email which got > > largely unanswered. > > > > The issue is particularly relevant for RAW sensors, where applying > > subsampling has an impact on the sensor's sensitivity and requires > > to adjust the gains and exposure accordingly. > > > > The V4L2 selection API falls short on this and the only other > > solution I am aware of is registering additional subdevices as the > > CCS driver does. > > > > 12:30 Lunch > > > > 13:30 Dave: On-sensor temperature reporting. > > > > Thread started by Benjamin at > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20220415111845.27130-3-benjamin.mugnier@xxxxxxxxxxx/ > > but no resolution over using hwmon API or V4L2 control. If hwmon > > then we need Media Controller framework to tie the sensor and thermal > > device together. > > > > It's recently been queried for IMX477 with the Pi > > (https://github.com/raspberrypi/libcamera/issues/19), but it will > > apply to many sensors. > > > > 13:50 Dave: Synchronising sensors for stereoscopic operation. > > > > How should that be configured? Allowing configuration from userspace > > would allow sensors to be operated independently which can be useful for > > test purposes, or should it be enforced from DT/ACPI? Do we set a default > > configuration for each sensor from DT/ACPI and then allow userspace to > > override should it wish? > > > > 14:10 Dave: Lens drivers. > > > > Each driver will have a "useful" range which is effectively dictated by > > the overall module. Should that be defined via DT as it is a feature of > > the platform, or leave the driver totally generic and expect userspace > > to do something sensible? > > > > In the case of simple systems without libcamera, do we set default for > > V4L2_CID_FOCUS_ABSOLUTE to a sensible hyperfocal distance, and can > > that again be defined in DT as it is defining the hardware? > > > > 14:30 Dave: Controlling sensor GPIO outputs. > > > > Controlling sensor GPIO outputs for things such as flash triggers, > > vsync, frame start/end, exposure start/end, etc. > > > > There is a huge range of features available so do we have any hope of > > standardising some of it, or do we end up hiding these away in the > > drivers with custom DT bindings to configure them? If we accept that > > there will be variation, can we vaguely standardise what those > > bindings look like? Or should these be V4L2 controls as things like > > pulse widths may want to be adjusted by userspace? > > > > 15:00 Break > > > > 15:30 Jacopo: Reconcile handling of regulator, gpios and clock on OF and ACPI platforms. > > > > We recently got a few series trying to reconcile handling of regulators, > > gpios and clocks on OF and ACPI platforms all of them doing the usual > > "similar but slightly different" thing: > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20220425061022.1569480-1-paul.elder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20220329090133.338073-1-jacopo@xxxxxxxxxx/ > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/20220509143226.531117-1-foss+kernel@xxxxxxxxx/ > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=0c2c7a1e0d69221b9d489bfd8cf53262d6f82446 > > > > ACPI and OF handles clocks slightly differently, and it is not clear > > to me if ACPI based platform need explicit handling of > > clocks/regulator or ACPI does "the right thing" by itself (I'm > > afraid the answer is actually "it depends"). I'm ACPI illiterate > > so I cannot propose anything meaningful but if anyone is interested > > in discussing this further this might be a good time to do so ? > > > > > > 16:00 Laurent: V4L2 streams series. > > > > I'd like to discuss the V4L2 streams series, in particular how to > > upstream the parts that won't be upstream yet by mid-September. > > Discussing the next steps would also be useful, as there's lots we could > > build on top. > > > > 16:30 Laurent: How can we finalize conversion of v4l-utils to meson? > > > > 16:45-18:00 Anything else? > > > > Regards, > > > > Hans >
