On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 4:30 AM Keiichi Watanabe <keiichiw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 4:32 PM Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > > > > > +\subsection{Device ID}\label{sec:Device Types / Video Device / Device ID}
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +TBD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm wondering how and when we can determine and reserve this ID?
> > > > >
> > > > > Grab the next free, update the spec accordingly, submit the one-line
> > > > > patch.
> > >
> > > Thanks. I will do so at the next version of the patch.
> >
> > No. Submit as separate one-liner patch which does nothing but grabbing
> > an ID.
>
> Thanks. I sent https://markmail.org/message/jpjekiq7c4gkp6jt
>
> >
> > > > > > I'm wondering if we can use FOURCC instead. So, we can avoid reinventing a
> > > > > > mapping from formats to integers.
> > > > > > Also, I suppose the word "pixel formats" means only raw (decoded) formats.
> > > > > > But, it can be encoded format like H.264. So, I guess "image format" or
> > > > > > "fourcc" is a better word choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Use separate pixel_format (fourcc) and stream_format (H.264 etc.) enums?
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Fourcc is used for both raw and coded formats.
> > > I'm not sure if it makes much sense to define different enums for raw
> > > and coded formats, as
> > > we reuse any other structs for both types of formats.
> > >
> > > What I'd suggest is like this:
> > >
> > > #define FOURCC(a,b,c,d) (a | (b << 8) | (c << 16) | (d << 24))
> > >
> > > enum virtio_video_fourcc {
> > > VIRTIO_VIDEO_FOURCC_UNDEFINED = 0,
> > >
> > > /* Coded formats */
> > > VIRTIO_VIDEO_FOURCC_H264 = FOURCC('H', '2', '6', '4'),
> > > ...
> > >
> > > /* Raw formats */
> > > VIRTIO_VIDEO_FOURCC_NV12 = FOURCC('N', 'V', '1', '2'),
> > > ...
> > > }
> >
> > Ok, that'll work.
> >
> > I've linked fourcc to drm fourcc codes in my head, and drm hasn't codes
> > for the compressed formats.
> >
> > When defining things this way we should of course make sure that the raw
> > format codes are identical to the ones drm uses.
> >
>
> Yes. For Linux, though we have different constants for drm foucc and
> video fourcc,
> actual values are identical.
> (e.g. DRM_FORMAT_NV12 and V4L2_PIX_FMT_NV12)
> Then, we will have one more constant representing the same format for virtio.
>
> > Is there a formal standard for these codes btw?
>
> RFC2361 defines FOURCCs for several formats, but it's not a formal
> standard iiuc.
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2361
>
> >
> > > > As an interim solution, this form of "manual resource backing-store
> > > > management" could be specified as a feature flag.
> > > > Once there is an established solution for buffer sharing, we would
> > > > then go ahead and introduce a new feature flag for "works with the
> > > > buffer sharing mechanism", as an alternative to this manual mechanism.
> > > >
> > > > wdyt?
> > >
> > > It'd be a good idea to change buffer management method by a feature flag.
> >
> > I don't think so. A device might want support multiple kinds of buffer
> > management, most notably both their own buffers and imported buffers.
> > Indicating which methods are available can be done with feature flags,
> > but actually picking one not.
> >
>
> Ah, you're right. Then, we might want to extend SET_PARAM or add a new control
> to specify a way of buffer management.
>
I think we need both. Feature flag(s) would give out the list of
supported mechanism for a given device and driver.
Out of the intersection, a new control can be used in order to pick
the one actually being used for a given transaction.
> > > > > Well. For buffer management there are a bunch of options.
> > > > >
> > > > > (1) Simply stick the buffers (well, pointers to the buffer pages) into
> > > > > the virtqueue. This is the standard virtio way.
> > > > >
> > > > > (2) Create resources, then put the resource ids into the virtqueue.
> > > > > virtio-gpu uses that model. First, because virtio-gpu needs an id
> > > > > to reference resources in the rendering command stream
> > > > > (virtio-video doesn't need this). Also because (some kinds of)
> > > > > resources are around for a long time and the guest-physical ->
> > > > > host-virtual mapping needs to be done only once that way (which
> > > > > I think would be the case for virtio-video too because v4l2
> > > > > re-uses buffers in robin-round fashion). Drawback is this
> > > > > assumes shared memory between host and guest (which is the case
> > > > > in typical use cases but it is not mandated by the virtio spec).
> > > > >
> > > > > (3) Import external resources (from virtio-gpu for example).
> > > > > Out of scope for now, will probably added as optional feature
> > > > > later.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess long-term we want support either (1)+(3) or (2)+(3).
> > > > >
> > >
> > > In the first version of spec, we might want to support the minimal workable set
> > > of controls. Then, we'll be able to add additional controls with a new feature
> > > flag as Enrico suggested.
> > >
> > > So, the problem is what's the simplest scenario and which types of controls are
> > > required there. I guess it's enough for (1) and (2) if we have T_RESOURCE_CREATE
> > > and T_RESOURCE_DESTROY.
> >
> > For (1) you'll simply do a QUEUE_BUFFER. The command carries references
> > to the buffer pages. No resource management needed.
> >
> > For (2) you'll have RESOURCE_CREATE + RESOURCE_DESTROY + QUEUE_RESOURCE,
> > where RESOURCE_CREATE passes the scatter list of buffer pages to the
> > host and QUEUE_RESOURCE will carry just the resource id.
> >
> > For (3) you'll have RESOURCE_IMPORT + RESOURCE_DESTROY + QUEUE_RESOURCE.
> >
>
> Thanks for the clarification.
> On second thought, however, I'm wondering if we should keep all
> RESOURCE controls.
> This should be an option (4).
> Even though (1) and (2) may be simpler, nobody wants to implement it so far.
> Then, (4) would be the only scenario which virtio-video can work as a
> stand alone and we have users of.
>
> As a result, the initial version or virtio-video will
> * keep 6 RESOURCE commands as this patch originally proposed,
> * add a feature flag to show supported buffer management method, and
> * add a field to specify buffer management method in
> virtio_video_params, but only one method is defined.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Best regards,
> Keiichi
>
>
> Best regards,
> Keiichi
>
> > cheers,
> > Gerd
> >
>
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