Hi Ahelenia, Thanks for the background! You're completely right :) I added your explanation as part of the commit message; it was very informative. Patch applied! Best, Alex On 12/17/20 6:52 PM, наб wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 05:17:51PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote: >> I don't know much about MS, >> but AFAIK, it was MS who designed FAT32. >> >> I'll quote Wikipedia, although it may be incorrect: > These are good points, though the miss some of the depth of this issue. > > The main point I was driving at with this patch was to fix > "Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems" (i.e. FAT filesystems which belong > to Microsoft Window, which is decidedly wrong). > > FAT32 first shipped with MS-DOS 7.1, as part of Windows 95 OSR2, > but it's a (relatively) simple logical extension of the previous FATx > filesystems (16 and 12 as we know and love them today, > I don't think the PC ever saw 8), hence the "VFAT" driver name ‒ > calling FAT-anything a Windows filesystem would be a flat-out lie, > calling it a Microsoft filesystem would be, uh, facetious. > > NTFS (as part of Windows NT), on the other hand, is wholly different > WRT the scope and feature-set (it does borrow some layouting from FAT, > but reading NTFS as FAT doesn't get you very far, or much). > > The replacing bit is also questionable, especially in a.d. 2020: > while it is true that you cannot install NT on FAT (after a certain > point? my memory ain't what it used to be), and must therefore > replace your existing FAT partitions with NTFS during upgrades; > Windows NT 4.0, the last product to be NT-branded came out in 1996, > i.e. you could not install Windows on FAT (and, therefore, > upgrade it to NTFS, replacing it) during my entire lifetime. > > Indeed, in $(date +%Y) we live in a post-NTFS world ‒ putting NTFS in > the same class as FAT beyond "is a filesystem" is a joke, but in my > haste and pursuit of a small diff I didn't consider the above. > Please see below for updated scissor-patch. > > Best, > Ahelenia > > -- >8 -- > Subject: [PATCH] filesystems.5: reword ntfs description, remove FAT > comparison > > Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska <nabijaczleweli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > --- > man5/filesystems.5 | 5 ++--- > 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/man5/filesystems.5 b/man5/filesystems.5 > index 301c8fb83..3727d7a7a 100644 > --- a/man5/filesystems.5 > +++ b/man5/filesystems.5 > @@ -169,9 +169,8 @@ filesystem was removed from the kernel in 4.17. > is the network filesystem used to access disks located on remote computers. > .TP > .B ntfs > -replaces Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems (VFAT, FAT32). > -It has reliability, performance, and space-utilization enhancements > -plus features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on. > +is the filesystem native to Microsoft Windows NT, > +supporting features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on. > .TP > .B proc > is a pseudo filesystem which is used as an interface to kernel data > -- Alejandro Colomar Linux man-pages comaintainer; https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/
