On 04/12/2018 09:24 PM, John Hubbard wrote: > On 04/12/2018 12:18 PM, Jann Horn wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:59 PM, John Hubbard <jhubbard@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On 04/12/2018 11:49 AM, Jann Horn wrote: >>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 8:37 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) >>>> <mtk.manpages@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >>>>> On 12 April 2018 at 20:33, John Hubbard <jhubbard@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> On 04/12/2018 08:39 AM, Jann Horn wrote: >>>>>>> Clarify that MAP_FIXED is appropriate if the specified address range has >>>>>>> been reserved using an existing mapping, but shouldn't be used otherwise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jann Horn <jannh@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> man2/mmap.2 | 19 +++++++++++-------- >>>>>>> 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> diff --git a/man2/mmap.2 b/man2/mmap.2 >>>> [...] >>>>>>> .IP >>>>>>> For example, suppose that thread A looks through >>>>>>> @@ -284,13 +285,15 @@ and the PAM libraries >>>>>>> .UR http://www.linux-pam.org >>>>>>> .UE . >>>>>>> .IP >>>>>>> -Newer kernels >>>>>>> -(Linux 4.17 and later) have a >>>>>>> +For cases in which the specified memory region has not been reserved using an >>>>>>> +existing mapping, newer kernels (Linux 4.17 and later) provide an option >>>>>>> .B MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE >>>>>>> -option that avoids the corruption problem; if available, >>>>>>> -.B MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE >>>>>>> -should be preferred over >>>>>>> -.BR MAP_FIXED . >>>>>>> +that should be used instead; older kernels require the caller to use >>>>>>> +.I addr >>>>>>> +as a hint (without >>>>>>> +.BR MAP_FIXED ) >>>>>> >>>>>> Here, I got lost: the sentence suddenly jumps into explaining non-MAP_FIXED >>>>>> behavior, in the MAP_FIXED section. Maybe if you break up the sentence, and >>>>>> possibly omit non-MAP_FIXED discussion, it will help. >>>>> >>>>> Hmmm -- true. That piece could be a little clearer. >>>> >>>> How about something like this? >>>> >>>> For cases in which MAP_FIXED can not be used because >>>> the specified memory >>>> region has not been reserved using an existing mapping, >>>> newer kernels >>>> (Linux 4.17 and later) provide an option >>>> MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE that >>>> should be used instead. Older kernels require the >>>> caller to use addr as a hint and take appropriate action if >>>> the kernel places the new mapping at a different address. >>>> >>>> John, Michael, what do you think? >>> >>> >>> I'm still having difficulty with it, because this is in the MAP_FIXED section, >>> but I think you're documenting the behavior that you get if you do *not* >>> specify MAP_FIXED, right? Also, the hint behavior is true of both older and >>> new kernels... >> >> The manpage patch you and mhocko wrote mentioned MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE >> in the MAP_FIXED section - I was trying to avoid undoing a change you >> had just explicitly made. > > heh. So I've succeeding in getting my own wording removed, then? Progress! :) > >> >>> So, if that's your intent (you want to sort of document by contrast to what >>> would happen if this option were not used), then how about something like this: >>> >>> >>> Without the MAP_FIXED option, the kernel would treat addr as a hint, rather >>> than a requirement, and the caller would need to take appropriate action >>> if the kernel placed the mapping at a different address. (For example, >>> munmap and try again.) >> >> I'd be fine with removing the paragraph. As you rightly pointed out, >> it doesn't really describe MAP_FIXED. >> > > OK, that's probably the simplest fix. So, you mean remove this entire paragraph: For cases in which the specified memory region has not been reserved using an existing mapping, newer kernels (Linux 4.17 and later) provide an option MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE that should be used instead; older kernels require the caller to use addr as a hint (without MAP_FIXED) and take appropriate action if the kernel places the new mapping at a different address. It seems like some version of the first half of the paragraph is worth keeping, though, so as to point the reader in the direction of a remedy. How about replacing that text with the following: Since Linux 4.17, the MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE flag can be used in a multithreaded program to avoid the hazard described above. ? Thanks, Michael -- Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-man" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
